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  • I love fur! Bring on the dead animals!

    6 17.65%
  • I think fur is beautiful, but I'd never wear it myself

    5 14.71%
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    10 29.41%
  • I'm against fur.

    13 38.24%
  • I'm not from the Western world and in our culture fur is considered acceptable

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    I've decided that I think sheepskin is okay, too, even though sheepies are cute. People eat lamb (I eat lamb) and wear wool, and sheepskin fur hats apparently can be made quite cheaply and are excellent to have in very cold climates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I want a huge fur cape, a horned helmet, and meat and potatoes every day for breakfast.


    For some reason I'm deeply amused by this fantasy. It resonates with me on some level.

    *sigh* I do love animals though. Skinning videos (the little that I could tolerate enough to watch) are brutal and heartbreaking. They made want to be vegan for awhile. I don't know what's stopping me from trying harder.
    Being properly vegan is fucking expensive. It costs extra money to get proper nutrition as a total vegan because it's not natural for humans. I had a physician inform me that veganism was only healthy if you could devote to it as though it were a part-time job. There's also a link between brain and nervous system disorders with people who don't consume ANY animal products (this does not include lacto-ovo vegetarians or lacto-vegetarians, of course). I tend to often think "OH that's what's wrong with them..." I've tried vegan a few times temporarily for health reasons and it always cost me extra money and made me feel weak and weird. I also missed cheese.

    I sometimes wonder if people who can't deal with fur or leather AT ALL should even eat meat - or maybe they should learn how to kill their own meat so they're exposed to exactly what they're realistically consuming. As a working class Southerner I grew up somewhat surrounded by hunters.

    I also like what Disco Biscuit said about "oh death is okay as long as it's not cute"...it's true. I am guilty of it myself. Like I said, I'd rather wear bear fur than mink.

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    I don't see anything wrong with using any part of an animal. I don't find it fashionable in the sense that I prefer it over other garb, but I see nothing wrong with using it in clothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    Again, this happens on a vastly more grand scale with meat. All that torture for just one "delicious" steak. Why not throw paint on people at McDonalds?
    Fast food chains are targeted.

    Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that even though I still think it is unethical - I can understand people eating meat, with the torture involved, because it's their diet, and diet is important. But things like fashion, and cosmetics which are tested on animals, we clearly do not need! It is absolutely unnecessary. And it makes it all that more cruel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edasich View Post
    Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that even though I still think it is unethical - I can understand people eating meat, with the torture involved, because it's their diet, and diet is important. But things like fashion, and cosmetics which are tested on animals, we clearly do not need! It is absolutely unnecessary. And it makes it all that more cruel.
    Necessary? ehh. Do you think you are necessary? For what exactly?

    If you want to be ethical, I see no other way then to do suicide. Anything else, and claiming to be ethical will result in hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleepy View Post
    Necessary? ehh. Do you think you are necessary? For what exactly?

    If you want to be ethical, I see no other way then to do suicide. Anything else, and claiming to be ethical will result in hypocrisy.
    Trivial.

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    If helpless, will rescue and luv.

    If dead, will make stylish boots or coat or ear muffs or furry bunny slippers or BBQ'd over a mesquite fire...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    But, rather than curtail are greed and deal with the root cause of many of our animal problems we have decided as a society to hide the true cost of our greed from our eyes and have turned to science and technology to limit the negative impacts.
    Did you read Matthew Scully's book? I absolutely agree with what you say here, and I believe there is blowback from this every day, in a myriad of ways.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    The opposite response has been just as bad. Many of the animal rights activists have really just lowered the value of humans down to the value of animals as opposed to raising animals to the value of humans.
    You mean like "a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Edasich View Post
    A lot of “extreme” AR activists do extreme actions because they feel like nothing else is going to work. How do you get people who don't give a damn to care, to change their ways? It can be very depressing. Mostly now, the first thought that comes to my mind is what sort of human being supports that?
    Thats right, they say the media space is so saturated nowadays they have to be outrageous to get any share of it. I'm not defending it, just explaining their logic. I found the documentary of Ingrid Newkirk a fascinating look at some of the thinking behind that particular branch of animal activism. She talks about learning early on that the image (of what is usually hidden) was the most powerful tool they had. It also features the objections of other animal advocates who disagree with PETA's methods.

    I have no illusions about what the animals confined in intensive feed and fur operations endure. I think its valuable for people to examine this concealed world which intersects with all our lives.


    Incidentally, if anyone watches the entire documentary, it would be interesting to know your thoughts on Ingrid's type.


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    Again, this happens on a vastly more grand scale with meat. All that torture for just one "delicious" steak. Why not throw paint on people at McDonalds?
    Actually PETA is now a shareholder of McDonalds. I happened to learn this because I had to do a quantity of research on McDonalds for this school term.
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    i think its only right to wear fur when the animal is hunted for food.

    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Fur is comfy and feels nice. I don't see how it's immoral.
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    Just make sure you boycott the meat industry too (and the resulting animal products)



    This affects millions, probably billions of animals more than the fur industry. Admittedly less cute ones, and more tasty ones, but animals nonetheless.

    Whenever you industrialize something, everyone and everything involved tends to suffer, unfortunately. The human workers in those factories suffer, too. Not sure how to change it, other than boycotting, and many people will always choose the cheapest option rather than the most ethical one. I'm lumping myself in there too, at least for now.
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