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    Default Religion - Nihilism - Existentialism - ???

    So I've been wondering, since nihilism is embraced when one gives up all objective values of the world and society, and existentialism is derived from nihilism but actually embraces values (subjective ones), what possible philosophical system would rationally emerge from existentialism? Would people embrace an enhanced existentialism, akin to that of ubermensch level morality? Or something else?

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    Do you mean what system of values/morality would rationally emerge from existentialism?

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    Depends on what form of Existentialism one adheres to. Theistic Existentialism follows a different path from Atheistic Existentialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Brain View Post
    So I've been wondering, since nihilism is embraced when one gives up all objective values of the world and society, and existentialism is derived from nihilism but actually embraces values (subjective ones), what possible philosophical system would rationally emerge from existentialism? Would people embrace an enhanced existentialism, akin to that of ubermensch level morality? Or something else?
    I got a couple of questions before I can provide an answer, what do you mean by "rationally emerge" from existentialism? What is "ubermensch level morality" and why is it "enhanced existentialism"? How so?

    I mean are you suggesting that existentialism's subjectivism is akin to or in parity with the amorality, called moral superiority, of the ubermensch? Is the suggestion that they are the same thing anyway? I perhaps could agree with that but only in so far as they are the same thing, one is not a more rationalist philosophy than the other, one does not emerge from the other and one is not existential subjectivism following the advent of rationalism.

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    Ummm... how about just existentialism? in its various forms and what not?

    Also, you could look historically, and say that structuralism was a reaction to existentialism...

    And then post-structuralism, deconstruction, and post-modernism were a reaction to structuralism...

    The people above also provided some worthwhile questions/answers to your query...

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    Originally posted by erm
    Do you mean what system of values/morality would rationally emerge from existentialism?
    Yes, what comes after existentialism.

    Originally posted by Peguy
    Depends on what form of Existentialism one adheres to. Theistic Existentialism follows a different path from Atheistic Existentialism.
    I was more or less referring to existentialism in general, or whichever one is currently most popular in our present world.

    Originally posted by Lark
    I got a couple of questions before I can provide an answer, what do you mean by "rationally emerge" from existentialism? What is "ubermensch level morality" and why is it "enhanced existentialism"? How so?
    I meant, what possible system of thought could come from existentialism, if there is any. I've also always seen existentialism as a precurser to a lot of what Nietzsche talks about in his philosophical works, his ideals of how an Ubermensch would one day inherent the earth, it seems as though the mindest of such a being would have to be to an extent existentialist in his own right. This is what brought me to the speculative theory that one form of existentialism would manifest into the philosophy that Nietzsche forsaw, ergo an enhanced existentialism.

    Originally posted by Zarathustra
    Ummm... how about just existentialism? in its various forms and what not?

    Also, you could look historically, and say that structuralism was a reaction to existentialism...

    And then post-structuralism, deconstruction, and post-modernism were a reaction to structuralism...
    Actually, know that I think about it, existentialism was in of itself a reaction to rational/objective systems of thought that cam before it (not so much nihilism), considering all those forms of thought that reacted from it, perhaps existentialism can't really manifet into anything else beyond itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Brain View Post
    I was more or less referring to existentialism in general
    Simply put, there's no such thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Brain View Post
    Yes, what comes after existentialism.
    I laid out the historical successors for you in my post...

    Existentialism>Structuralism>Post-structrualism/Post-modernism/Deconctruction

    Personally, I think existentialism is still as relevant today as ever.

    The fact that new movements have followed in its wake, does not make it any less relevant or true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Brain View Post
    I was more or less referring to existentialism in general, or whichever one is currently most popular in our present world.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Simply put, there's no such thing.
    Quite true.

    It's sort of a contradiction in terms.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Brain View Post
    I meant, what possible system of thought could come from existentialism, if there is any. I've also always seen existentialism as a precurser to a lot of what Nietzsche talks about in his philosophical works, his ideals of how an Ubermensch would one day inherent the earth, it seems as though the mindest of such a being would have to be to an extent existentialist in his own right. This is what brought me to the speculative theory that one form of existentialism would manifest into the philosophy that Nietzsche forsaw, ergo an enhanced existentialism.
    I'm just gunna throw it out there that you seem a little bit confused and your ideas jumbled up a bit...

    Nietzsche was an existentialist. He and Keirkegaard are generally looked at as the first two existentialists.

    Other thinkers commonly considered existentialists have followed after them (Heidegger, Sartre, Camus, Merleau-Ponty, de Beauvoir, et al), and the movement sort of started to run its course in the 50s and 60s, during which time structuralism was on the rise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Brain View Post
    Actually, know that I think about it, existentialism was in of itself a reaction to rational/objective systems of thought that cam before it (not so much nihilism), considering all those forms of thought that reacted from it, perhaps existentialism can't really manifet into anything else beyond itself?
    Well, I think your conclusion (underlined) is more-or-less accurate, but, regarding the bolded, existentialism did indeed spring out of nihilism.

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    Can't forget Garbiel Marcel - he after all is credited with coining the term Existentialism.

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    I figured I'd leave the Christian Existentialists to you...

    I almost wanted to claim Jaspers for myself...

    But I figured that would be selfish...


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