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    I am currently reading The Power of Karma by Mary Browne

    Quote - Karma is justice. It does not punish or reward. We will suffer for the pain we have caused and we will reap from the good we've produced.

    So if each individual is solely responsible for their own karma, be it good or bad how then can it be justified when bad shit happens to good people other than a bloody hard learning curve.

    Children learn from their role models ..If the role model is not an exceptionally good one such as a mother or father (so pretty much stuck with them) Then is this somehow the kids karma.

    I am aware if i put karma into the realm of life paths then it makes more sense but this book (at present) isn't going there so i am curious as to your thoughts on the subject.

    Do you believe in karma?
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    If something very bad and very unlikely and random happened to you during your lifetime I assure you that you wouldn't believe in karma.

    Karma defies probabilities.
    Unrelated events remain unrelated events. So if you do something good to someone, it won't rise the chance of some general good happening back to you.

    Let's analize the most basic of helping.

    Event A: You give a begger money.
    Event B: You have an exam in a week.

    Will the begger raise your chances of passing the exam? No.
    Will the begger cause some random reward by destiny? No.

    Because giving the begger money is an independent event.

    Another example which I find relevant.

    Event A: Mother lives a sinful life, doing all kinds of nasty shit, hurting her loved ones.
    Event B: Son dies in a car accident.

    How can event A and event B relate to each other? I don't see any relationship.

    And now..about the first thing I said.
    If something very bad would have happened to you (which I doubt), viewed from the karma perspective, would be the effect of something you did or your parents did.

    It's like you had it coming from destiny.

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    Karma explained in simplicity, is just that.. Simple.
    It's too easy and sounds like something akin to Santa Claus.

    We all know that many of your good deeds go unrewarded and bad things happen to everybody all the time.
    All sorts of nasty people seemingly have it made in life.

    But maybe it needs to be measured over a life time?

    There is also something about likewise attracting likewise. There is definitely something true about getting out of life what you put into it.
    But is it cosmic??

    I am not sure.

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    From how you worded your post it sounds like your question is more about what suffering means rather than karma? I don't think all suffering signifies guilt. Sometimes a person is a victim.

    I do believe in karma in the sense of justice, that I think the universe is set up with justice. And that eventually things come back to balance, even if this takes until after we're dead. Time is only relative anyway.
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    i believe in karma.
    it must be from growing up in a buddhist country.
    every normal man must be tempted, at times,
    to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag,
    and begin slitting throats.
    h.l. mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by saslou View Post
    Karma is justice. It does not punish or reward. We will suffer for the pain we have caused and we will reap from the good we've produced.
    It's not difficult to find test cases which disprove this hypothesis.

    So, no. The universe doesn't give a shit about justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    So, no. The universe doesn't give a shit about justice.
    Really? and you can substantiate this claim?

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    Karma, heaven, guardian angels.....

    I feel so safe knowing our constructs are there for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Void View Post
    Really? and you can substantiate this claim?
    Yes. Just send me all your money and I'll send you the answer by return.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Smile Karma, Transubstantiation and Jealousy

    Karma is poetic. All we need to do to believe in Karma is suspend our disbelief.

    Karma is exactly the same as transubstantiation. For transubstantiation is pure poetry and all we need to do is suspend our disbelief for poetry to work its magic.

    So Karma and transubstantiation are beautiful magical poetry.

    But alas they are not compatible. For those that believe in Karma don't believe in transubstantiation; and those who believe in transubstantiation don't believe in Karma.

    And although they tell me poetry does nothing, poetry is so powerful. Why just the other day, I mentioned transubstantiation to an Anglican priest and he bristled because the big difference between Catholics and Anglicans is transubstantiation. And only a short time ago they were killing each other over transubstantiation. So it is not too much to say that poetry is a matter of life and death.

    Reason, we know, can never kill a poem. It takes a poem to kill another poem.

    They say my God is a jealous God, and each poem is mad with jealousy of every other poem.

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