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    Why use the term 'magic' at all?

    And what does "magic that works" really mean? If it works, it follows physical laws. If it follows physical laws, how is it magic?

    I'm just confused.

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    ^magic follows laws in the fictional realm, but those laws are not transparent to anyone, which mirrors our real world situation within the sciences. If you screw up a spell cast or forget a component in ADnD, interesting things can happen....


    The question here is what does the term Magic signify? I say, "power". Science in the real world and magic in the fictional both enable great powers and abilities. I don't think it's that far of an analogy to make but maybe my Ti is on hiatus or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    ^magic follows laws in the fictional realm, but those laws are not transparent to anyone, which mirrors our real world situation within the sciences. If you screw up a spell cast or forget a component in ADnD, interesting things can happen....


    The question here is what does the term Magic signify? I say, "power". Science in the real world and magic in the fictional both enable great powers and abilities. I don't think it's that far of an analogy to make but maybe my Ti is on hiatus or something
    Magic follows laws? Isn't the point that it doesn't follow laws?

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    yes of course magic follows laws!! why else would Gandolf need his staff? :P

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    Smile Imagine that!

    Magic and science form the bedrock of our culture.

    Magic is based on the suspension of disbelief and science is based on evidence and reason.

    Both are so important we need to know what is good science and what is bad science and what is good magic and what is bad magic.

    If magic fails to supend our disbelief, it is bad magic.

    For instance, does the magic of Zeus and Poseidon suspend our disbelief? For most of us the answer is no, so Zeus and Poseidon are bad magic.

    Does the magic of the Trinity or the Bible suspend our disbelief? And for most in the world the answer is no. So the Trinity and the Bible are bad magic.

    Does the magic of the Koran and Mohammed suspend our disbelief? Well, for most in the world the answer is no. So Mohammed and the Koran are bad magic.

    And of course Mormonism, Scientology and so many other cults are bad magic.

    And while astrology is bad magic, astronomy is good science.

    And while alchemy is bad magic, chemistry is good science.

    And while creationism is bad magic, biology is good science.

    And while eugenics is bad magic and bad science, genetics is good science.

    And while MBTI is bad magic and bad science, psychometrics is good science.

    I think it was Einstein who said that imagination is more important than knowledge, and to imagine all we need to do is suspend our disbelief.

    Imagine that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Analyze the validity of that sentence.
    It is difficult to do that when the meaning of the sentence is obscure.

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    It is a matter of perspective, as well as your definition of magic.
    Excuse me, but does this smell like chloroform to you?

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    This thread seemingly makes little to no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    What's a myth is how quickly one can achieve those effects described with all the labor and machinery involved in development. If science were magic, casting/preparing an atomic bomb spell would take 5 years or longer :P not very prompt, is it?
    But it took many more than 5 years to develop the atomic bomb, plus the time to build the first one, then to invest in the means of producing them on a broader scale, so the time scales are not that dissimilar. One can also stockpile them for quicker use, like spells on scrolls or in in magical items.

    Science and magic have at least one thing in common: imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    This thread seemingly makes little to no sense.
    It makes a lot of sense to the individual but collectively it's fucked up (depending on with perspective you go with) ..
    “I made you take time to look at what I saw and when you took time to really notice my flower, you hung all your associations with flowers on my flower and you write about my flower as if I think and see what you think and see—and I don't.”
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