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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    - Family aren't those who share your blood by default. You choose who to trust in based on who you can actually trust to have your back when the shit hits the fan.
    - 99.9% of all people are shitheads. They do not deserve respect by default.
    - Totalitarianism as well as democracy are stupid ideas, since people are shitheads who can't tie their own shoelaces. Choose a group of individuals like you and work for your mutual benefit as brothers.
    -Be healthy and true to yourself in mind, body and soul. Do not deny who you are, work constantly to make yourself sharper and more knowledgeable as well as physically fit and skillful.
    - Life won't give you any free tickets, you must pry everything from the hands of others who most of the time work towards other ends than you.
    - Meekness is seldom rewarded. Be kind and generous to those who do not go against you, and those who help further your goals. Crush those who oppose you, disregard them and discard them.
    - People are just human, and you can be stronger and meaner than they can ever hope to be as long as you put your mind to it. Fear none. Mental and physical brutality can take you anywhere as long as you are past the point of constitution where only you dictates where the boundaries of your personal strength ends.
    -Don't let life scare you into submission. Scare people instead. Hammer them to either leave you alone or further your ends. Shape them by your will.
    - Treat your closest friends better than yourself, and expect nothing less in return.
    - Life is pretty worthless without material wealth as well as feelings of all sorts. You can't really live a good life without either. It's only in romantic movies and idealistic, pointless arguments where you actually have to choose between the two, when in reality having one means that acquiring the other will be easier.
    - It is better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.
    - Treat yourself as the highest authority and only abide by what you personally believe in.
    - Take what you want out of life, as long as doing so won't conflict with those you love and respect as well as your morality.
    - This might seem like anti-social behavior, but in reality I just want to be left alone to do what I want with who I want and live the life I need.
    - Having a set of codes to live by is essential. If you share my beliefs, you are my brother as long as you respect me.
    - Making smart decisions and surviving the game is priority two, but don't ever betray the trust of your brothers even if it will land you in a world of shit and pain. That is priority one.


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    The bolded text are things I agree on and the rest I disagree on.

    I wholely disagree with assumming that 99.9% of people don't deserve respect because I happen to think their shithead. Alot of people are only interested in further developing what they think is important. In fact you're a perfect example of this and assuming that people have to prove themselves to you to earn your respect is counter productive. Intuitively it is easier to assume that everyone are shitheads that don't deserve respect, but it is in your best interest to seek point of views that don't neccessarilly correlate to your point of views as a way to develop yourself. Having yourself surrounded by like minded individual is easier, but will hurt you in the long run.

    Every person has something that you can learn because people filter informations differently because of different life experiences which heavily affect that person's point of views. This is why I can't go around spitting bullshit that I'm better than 99.9% of the people and they should have to prove themselves to me first before I respect them. I respect everyone as a general rule until they prove that they don't deserve it.

    I hate manipulating people and I hate being manipulated by people. As a matter of fact, I'am very good at manipulating people when I was a younger and have only come to realized this revelation recently. It's no wonder I always get what I want which I have always attributed to luck until I took a closer look at my interactions with other people (also when I read some NLP books which define some of the stuff I do naturally, such as creating rapport with people). Of course, manipulating and understanding people are two different matters (I'm still working on the understanding part). But, forcing my will to someone else is not what I like doing...

    I would write more, but I'm getting bored of trying to pull out ideas that I have contemplated in the past and it's already long as it is.

    I just realized that I don't agree with alot of the things on your list (k almost all of it), but that doesn't mean we can't still be bros.

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    I think paternalism has worked out with mixed results, although I think a lot of the attacks on the nanny state miss the mark, its not just the state, managerialism and consumerism have robbed people of a lot of personal responsibility and there's a couple of other trends which have ruined people.

    Most of it is all the working out of unintended consequences, capitalism meets socialism and the synthesis is something which isnt either capitalist or socialist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    That is a point. Maybe the key would be a society that has removed two thirds of its laws, leaving the elementary stuff that enables road building and national defense, health care etc.
    Policing should be left to citizens. Maybe like how it works in sheriff departments.
    A bit like in the "wild west".
    That is how anarchy might work. There would be two layers of society, or two scales. The country scale would be there for big issues, and the village would pretty much take care of everything local. Democracy in the villages should be "real" democracy (no representatives. everyone has a say about everything) and each village would have a representative in the country scale politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    That is how anarchy might work. There would be two layers of society, or two scales. The country scale would be there for big issues, and the village would pretty much take care of everything local. Democracy in the villages should be "real" democracy (no representatives. everyone has a say about everything) and each village would have a representative in the country scale politics.
    It'll probably be impossible to find but there was a small phamphlet written by a Russian GP Maximoff, the best editor of Bakunin's writings there ever was, on a moteley version of anarchism or peoples/spontaneous socialism if you could find it its a good read, he talks about the household, neighbourhood, upwards looking after themselves in a kind of radical federalism.

    In principle I agree with all those things but they generally relate closely to forms of society which have disappeared by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    This is a reaction to the over-all picture that I see before me.
    Society in its entirety. It's rotten and corrupt, I don't see why the comfort is more worth than true freedom to do what you want.
    There is no easy way to be free. It could even be bloody and violent.
    But it would be natural to many of us.
    Many of us are not born to wear a suit and tie, even if we look great in such attire.
    I do realize that many people would die. Hell, maybe even me! I'm certainly not immortal.
    Maybe I could learn something from you, your attitude is kind of warrior like . I’m a wussy who gets butt hurt all the time, and sometimes I care to much about what other people think...it’s really becoming a hindrance. Thank you for the inspiration, I do like some of the points you made.

    Im such a nerd, Ive been thinking a lot about the end times latly…I’ve been having a lot nightmares about it. If the world ended, only the strong would survive. I need to stop watching so many crazy movies!
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    Interesting philosophies YLJ… I can’t necessarily say I disagree with them in the right or wrong sense because I understand the logic and perspective behind them, but I think some of the philosophies might be a little limiting. I definitely understand them because I used to live by a lot of these codes, but I definitely expanded my philosophies a great deal. I know you said this is a work in progress, so these are my thoughts on what you have so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    - Family aren't those who share your blood by default. You choose who to trust in based on who you can actually trust to have your back when the shit hits the fan.
    Yeah, I agree with this one. I’m always trying to explain this to people actually. I don’t really have anyone I consider family except for my mom and a few close friends. I have other blood related family members, but I don’t necessary consider them ‘family.’ Family is a strong word to me and just because someone is related to me by blood doesn’t mean that I consider them ‘family.’

    - 99.9% of all people are shitheads. They do not deserve respect by default.
    That’s a pretty high percentage YLJ. A lot of people are shitheads, true, but that number seems a little steep. One problem I can see with this one though is determining who in fact the shitheads are. I have been wrong at times about who’s a shithead and who’s not and I have pretty damn good Ni. Sometimes people turned out to be completely different than I thought. So not respecting someone by default can probably cause some problems because then it’s harder to remain objective as you gather more information.

    I’m curious to the extent of what you mean exactly by not respecting them though. Normally I try to treat everyone with respect unless they force me to treat them otherwise. Then there’s also the issue that I know a lot of people that are shitheads, but they still treat me with respect, so this rule could create a little bit of conflict there. Usually everyone I know treats me with respect, even the shitheads, so in turn I treat them with respect. So what specifically do you mean by the second part of that sentence?

    - Totalitarianism as well as democracy are stupid ideas, since people are shitheads who can't tie their own shoelaces. Choose a group of individuals like you and work for your mutual benefit as brothers.
    Haha..well, based on your shithead percentage above… I understand where you’re going with this. I suppose this is why people join things like SoA right? (Which it sounds like what you’re leaning towards.) ..haha… As long as you’re willing to deal with the consequences of this one then I guess it’s up to the individual.

    - Be healthy and true to yourself in mind, body and soul. Do not deny who you are, work constantly to make yourself sharper and more knowledgeable as well as physically fit and skillful.
    Completely agree. Can’t really argue with this one.

    - Life won't give you any free tickets, you must pry everything from the hands of others who most of the time work towards other ends than you.
    Well, I’m sure you realize the first part of this one is a little flawed. There are some free tickets in life as long as you know how to work the system.

    Hmm… “Prying” sounds a little harsh. Most of the times I don’t have to pry anything out of the hands of others, they usually hand it to me. So I’m curious what you mean by prying. Because I have learned that the opposite works most of the time.

    - Meekness is seldom rewarded. Be kind and generous to those who do not go against you, and those who help further your goals.
    I can understand why you would want to limit your kindness to those specific groups, but limiting those acts could probably limit how much your goals are furthered depending on what they are.

    Crush those who oppose you, disregard them and discard them.
    It sounds harsh, but I understand it. Sometimes opposition is good though, it keeps you on your toes. So trying to crush all that oppose you might be an impossible task. People that oppose you can also help you further your goals, even the 48 Laws of Power states that a person should learn how to use their enemies. So this philosophy should probably be broadened up a little.

    - People are just human, and you can be stronger and meaner than they can ever hope to be as long as you put your mind to it. Fear none.
    Well, I definitely agree with the mind being powerful and the fear none part. But the truth is a person can only reach a certain point as to how strong and mean they actually are. I’ve seen a lot of people walk into jail with that mentality and they usually leave with the motto of, “No matter how tough someone thinks they are, there is usually somebody tougher.” A lot of these philosophies have an empahsis on pride when one of the most important lessons I have learned in life is humility.

    Mental and physical brutality can take you anywhere as long as you are past the point of constitution where only you dictates where the boundaries of your personal strength ends.
    Same as one of the philosophies listed above I guess. If you want to deal with the consequences then I can see how this code could be applicable.

    - Don't let life scare you into submission.
    Agree.

    Scare people instead. Hammer them to either leave you alone or further your ends. Shape them by your will.
    It sounds like the firm approach again. But I'm sure you know the pros and cons of this already and that hammering doesn’t necessarily work with everyone.

    - Treat your closest friends better than yourself, and expect nothing less in return.
    Agree… But again it seems pretty limiting. There’s really nothing wrong with treating many people better than yourself and expecting nothing in return.

    - Life is pretty worthless without material wealth as well as feelings of all sorts. You can't really live a good life without either. It's only in romantic movies and idealistic, pointless arguments where you actually have to choose between the two, when in reality having one means that acquiring the other will be easier.
    Sad, but mostly true.

    - It is better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.
    Sometimes.

    - Treat yourself as the highest authority and only abide by what you personally believe in.
    Well, if you’re willing to deal with the consequences then I can see how this can be part of someone’s code of conduct. Because if you act on something you personally believe in and it conflicts with the law then that means jail might just become a part of your life.

    - Take what you want out of life, as long as doing so won't conflict with those you love and respect as well as your morality.
    Agree.

    - This might seem like anti-social behavior, but in reality I just want to be left alone to do what I want with who I want and live the life I need.
    I think a lot of people feel this way actually, just depends on what your goals are I guess.

    - Having a set of codes to live by is essential.
    Indeed

    If you share my beliefs, you are my brother as long as you respect me.
    Hmm… It sounds a little too closed off again. I could still consider someone my brother even if they did not share my beliefs. I have a lot of good friends now whose beliefs differ than mine, but they are no less my brother because of it.

    - Making smart decisions and surviving the game is priority two, but don't ever betray the trust of your brothers even if it will land you in a world of shit and pain. That is priority one.
    So in street talk you would mean, “No snitchin’ right? Haha…

    *This is a pretty hardcore way to live YLJ, but I understand it. I would hope you would like to expand some of your philosophies though.

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    Alright, I do agree that some of the points are not not perfectly sharpened.
    My pulled-out-of-the-ass statistics on those 99.9%, well, i'd say it's more of an expression.

    By crushing, molding, hammering etc... Not always literal.
    As long as I get people to do what I want them to do, I am certainly happy with it.
    I know the concept of honey yielding better results than shit, like I said earlier.

    As for the shitheads not deserving respect.
    It means that I will treat them with a degree of neutrality. If they piss me off, firm hostility.
    If they make my day a better place, I might even kiss them a little.

    And it's really not that hard to live by it, if you interpret it the way I intended.
    That point, the one that says something about not being a stupid SOB landing oneself in a world of shit...
    Well. It leaves the rest of the code flexible.
    A couple of points are not negotiable, though.
    The one about not "snitchin", as you would put it, juice..
    Better to withdraw and regroup than to fight poorly, though.

    As for the pride vs. humility thing... I know what you mean.
    The last four years have been a lesson in humility for me, and i'm better for it.
    Although, there are times when backing down or losing isn't an option.
    Then again, there are times at which you must.
    To be extraordinarily white and nerdy, I would like to quote Kenny Rogers
    "You gotta know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em".
    = Choose your fights wisely, whether they are physical or mental.

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