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    6 months ago my sister and my niece (1 years old) lost their husband/father (intelligent guy who had a lot going for him) to the cult of 12 Tribes.

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    If you have any stories related to you, family members, friends, loved ones in general who have been in or are still in a mind-controlling cult, please share your story, or what you know of the situation.

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    I guess it's not so typical to have a run in with a cult after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    I guess it's not so typical to have a run in with a cult after all.
    It really isn't, at least I don't think dangerous cults are all too prevalent.
    I hope he gets out of there, for the better of everyone.

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    I sort of know a female who alternates between joining sects and abusing drugs/alcohol.
    She always gets out of it, but it does take a toll, it seems.
    I really hope your former brother-in-law gets his shit straight, and quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    When I saw that Victor had posted in this thread, I could have written the post for him without even looking at it. Apologies to the OP for this equally pointless reply.
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    And on a serious note, I have never had anyone of my family inducted into a cult, unless you want to consider mainstream religion as a cult. I recently saw a documentary about a self-help guru named James Arthur Ray who endorsed The Secret, a book that describes "The Law of Attraction", which basically states that you can change the fabric reality just by thinking about it hard enough. For instance, if you think you'll win the Grand Pri, then you will win. As you can see, it's already framed the fundamentals for delusion by encouraging its readers to divorce from reality.

    James Arthur Ray ran a gathering in Sedona Arizona where participants were encouraged to do humiliating and life-threating rituals. In fact, several died, but James was not immediately convicted because all of his "followers" had willfully signed contracts. Thankfully, he was eventually arrested and fined, but he now runs a website to accumulate the money that he had previously lost.

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    My Mum was into Primal Therapy in the 70s (a kind of psychotherapy created by a man called Arthur Janov). From how she's described her experiences, it fits the criteria of a cult. It never threatened her life, though... just gave her a store of really bizarre stories from "the Red Room".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    If you have any stories related to you, family members, friends, loved ones in general who have been in or are still in a mind-controlling cult, please share your story, or what you know of the situation.
    I was never in a cult although if you were to hear me speak of the religion I grew up in you would think that I was because that's what I liken it too, the fact of the matter is for some people it fills a need and there is nothing that you can say or do that will change their perspective as you are seen as someone who doesn't understand the real truth. Perspective is only gained once they leave, unfortunately by that stage it's taken its toll in a negative way. Not to say valuable lessons can't be learnt by going through their experiences but not enough to make it worthwhile imo, and most don't leave. The cult becomes more important than family.

    The advice I'd give your sister is go through the stages of grief so she can find acceptance, she can't "save" him as he doesn't want her to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity View Post
    I was never in a cult although if you were to hear me speak of the religion I grew up in you would think that I was because that's what I liken it too, the fact of the matter is for some people it fills a need and there is nothing that you can say or do that will change their perspective as you are seen as someone who doesn't understand the real truth. Perspective is only gained once they leave, unfortunately by that stage it's taken its toll in a negative way. Not to say valuable lessons can't be learnt by going through their experiences but not enough to make it worthwhile imo, and most don't leave. The cult becomes more important than family.

    The advice I'd give your sister is go through the stages of grief so she can find acceptance, she can't "save" him as he doesn't want her to.
    This is all true and what has been experienced over the last 6 months. He directly had the nerve to tell my sister that he is married to the group (community)... and oddly, he really does love my sister (or thinks he does). He's just gotten so god damn twisted. His line of thinking is that my sister is being disobedient to God and him for not submitting and following suit with his choice to join the group. Therefore, he feels justified in being a massive prick and being totally unreasonable about it all. Kidnapping any notion that she has a legitimate stance. He doesn't make money, but he works for the cult and in turn they feed him, shelter him and provide his other essential needs. He has a one year old child that hasn't seen a penny from him or his group since he left. Somehow that's "ok"...? Christ, how do people get so fucked up over some nebulous being in the sky?

    No one can convince me that religion serves a decent purpose... It's only a framework for a great divide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    No one can convince me that religion serves a decent purpose.
    My experience has left me with strong anti-religious views so I completely understand where you're coming from.

    I don't understand how people get caught up in situations like this, I just know and accept it happens, individuals putting their religion before family is a sad thing, I feel sorry for them.

    My grandmother died last week and I don't feel anything except sadness for who she was in that she would put religion above grandchildren, I haven't had a relationship with her since I was a child and still in the religion. There was no call for her to disown people not in the religion as far as I'm aware (unlike some faiths demand) and it certainly wasn't something she ever vocalised but at the same time she never attempted to create a relationship with me or my siblings despite always being able to. Way I see it she just didn't need to, she had her church and that was her family.

    I don't know how your sister is coping with this, when there's a child and emotional connection involved it makes it really tough to accept, I hope she can move on, with her families support.

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    It is a shame indeed...

    Fortunately, my sister does have a pretty strong support system, between her family and friends. She and my niece are well taken care of. A lot of people aren't so fortunate, so that is the light in her situation. Regardless, it's obviously been rough and emotionally draining, but my little INFJ sister definitely has what it takes to move on from this in a healthy manner and has been strengthened in the process thus far.

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