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    Quote Originally Posted by Feops View Post
    An emotionally abstract concept is proven when both parties agree it's been proven.

    Really, the approval of the other party is the only thing that matters. You're not trying to prove something definative with a single answer, like the water is a certain temprature or the sky is blue, you're trying to meet some qualification set by the other.
    So the sociopath that appears to exhibit love and the people who buy the act are in the same boat as the genuine feelers and perceivers? I guess you could choose to be indifferent to such a distinction, but it just seems that any sort of philosophical thought that would fail to render that difference loses all notion of 'truth', replaced by a relativism that can't imagine anything more than mere perception.

    The "qualification set by the other" as you put it, in this context, would refer to the quality of authenticity;- is the person appearing to undergo a psychological state or exhibiting genuine sentiment. The truth is, this qualification cannot be satisfied by inductive reasoning, which is the kind experiential concerns are prone... so it is a question that has no conclusive answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zang View Post
    So the sociopath that appears to exhibit love and the people who buy the act are in the same boat as the genuine feelers and perceivers? I guess you could choose to be indifferent to such a distinction, but it just seems that any sort of philosophical thought that would fail to render that difference loses all notion of 'truth', replaced by a relativism that can't imagine anything more than mere perception.

    The "qualification set by the other" as you put it, in this context, would refer to the quality of authenticity;- is the person appearing to undergo a psychological state or exhibiting genuine sentiment. The truth is, this qualification cannot be satisfied by inductive reasoning, which is the kind experiential concerns are prone... so it is a question that has no conclusive answer.
    The sociopath who is pretending to agree isn't actually agreeing.

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    Smile The abstract is proved by the truth of the particular.

    The abstract concept of Relativity is proved by the truth of the particular that the sun bends light.

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    It can't just be a matter of consensus. Two people could be in love with entirely different subjective ideas of what love is. Think about justice also: a criminal and his family are unlikely to agree that his sentence is just. I don't think the mutuality of something really makes it more valid or true, it is entirely down to the individual's subjective expectations.

    And Lark, to quote Douglas Adams:

    "There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

    There is another theory which states that this has already happened."

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