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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And there has never been a civilization not based on a religion. And the West is based on Christianity.
    You should read Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli.

    So to understand the West, never mind Western poetry, we need to understand Christianity.
    No you don't.

    Christianity imprints itself upon us as children and no amount of subsequent reasoning makes any difference.
    Any religion imprints itself. If you were born in Iran you'd have been raised Muslim.

    After all it is our mother right or wrong. We only get one mother and no one ever loves us like our mother. And so with Holy Mother Church.
    I'm pretty sure my alcoholic abusive mother had a lot of love for me.

    And it takes a religion to beat a religion. And I noticed in Oz in the 40s and 50s so many ex-catholics became marxists.
    Marxism is NOT a religion.

    And today we see that it is Islam that is beating Christianity. We see churches being turned into mosques. We see that the Common Law based on Christianity is being slowly overtaken by Sharia Law. We see that the Christian separation of Church and State is being overtaken by the unity of the Mosque and State. We see that Christian equality under the Common Law being overtaken by inequality under Sharia Law for Jews and dhimmi, infidels and women. We see Christian monogamy being overtaken by Sharia polygamy. We see women stoned to death and child brides.
    Where is your evidence for this? Christianity is still the dominant religion in the west and will be for quite some time. Only immigration in Europe is changing that. Also Separation of Church and State isn't Christian (AGAIN look up Treaty of Tripoli Article 11.) Seriously, you sound like a fundamentalist calling for a religious war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    It's still a profound cultural influence, and there's still universal truths hidden within it, even if "the" universal "truth" it espouses doesn't quite make it there.

    1 Corinthians 13 is one of those passages for me. Not sure much encapsulates what it means to be human as do those few sentences on the meaning of love.

    Your thoughts?
    My thoughts are that is a fitting verse to pick as your favorite considering the message of love in the Bible seems to have gone over your head.

    1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pixelholic View Post
    No you don't.
    Umm... yeah you do. You miss a good bit of Western cultural context without a rudimentary understanding of Christian symbolism and mythology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    It's still a profound cultural influence, and there's still universal truths hidden within it, even if "the" universal "truth" it espouses doesn't quite make it there.

    1 Corinthians 13 is one of those passages for me. Not sure much encapsulates what it means to be human as do those few sentences on the meaning of love.

    Your thoughts?
    A good question.
    Christianity dissipates in conjunction with Islam.
    Letter takes the place of the substance.

    The priests are back.

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    Reminder: The Thread Title is "Non-Christians: parts of the Bible that still resonate with you." Please stick to concept or we'll have to scrub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Umm... yeah you do. You miss a good bit of Western cultural context without a rudimentary understanding of Christian symbolism and mythology.
    And Pagan too, that still has a strong hold on us. Partly through christianity, which picked up a lot of pagan beliefs, of course.

    I used to live near a modern built church that had enscribed upon it "The church of christain love" and right below that, a picture of a heart with an arrow through it. It made me laugh every time I went past it, because te picture is straight from cupid, a pagan myth.

    Honestly, none of the bible means much to me. I guess the bit that means the most to me is "do unto other as you would have done to yourself", but that's only because I'm waiting to see a masocist give it a fundamental interpretation.

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    I have always had a soft spot for James.

    James 2:17-18: "In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. But someone will say, ‘You have faith; I have deeds.’ Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.”

    No bullshit.

    I also like some of the prophets: Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel.... Some pretty imaginative stuff in there.
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    Favorite verses:

    Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

    Proverbs 3:13-18
    Happy is a man who finds wisdom
    and who acquires understanding,
    for she is more profitable than silver,
    and her revenue is better than gold.

    She is more precious than jewels;
    nothing you desire compares with her.
    Long life [a] is in her right hand;
    in her left, riches and honor.

    Her ways are pleasant,
    and all her paths, peaceful.

    She is a tree of life to those who embrace her,
    and those who hold on to her are happy.

    I'm not anti-Christian or anti-religion. I still love this song:
    YouTube - The Commodores - Jesus is Love
    There is a thinking stuff from which all things are made, and which, in its original state, permeates, penetrates, and fills the interspaces of the universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    I have always had a soft spot for James.

    James 2:17-18: "In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. But someone will say, ‘You have faith; I have deeds.’ Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.”
    ^I like James too. There's an earthiness and simplicity and kind of focus on social justice that comes out in those writings (along with some Gospels too). There's a lot of speculation on the writer being James, the half brother of Jesus, and the first leader of the church. It's too bad people like him didn't write more..could at least balance some things out. Paul was prolific, John secondly, and while nice to read at times, they both emphasized faith, blood redemption, the mystical, theology, and cult of personality centered on the divine aspects of Christ.. there's a de-emphasis of good works and the social and human element of Jesus - and because of their prolific writing, Christianity mostly takes that form.

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    I was going to go with that exact same quote!!!

    that's the thing that pisses me off to no ends about modern religion... how can people preach things like that without doing anything good for humanity? If there is a heaven I would trust it a lot better if it was the people who did good for other people got in instead of those who vocally beleived in a religion

    I also like James 2:25 and 26

    25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

    the idea of redemption for someone THROUGH doing good works despite other circumstances is somewhat
    “Oh, we're always alright. You remember that. We happen to other people.” -Terry Pratchett

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