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    Natural Science “don allow no meaning in here”!

    Natural science clears the land before it builds its structures. NATURAL SCIENCE IS BULLDOZIER might be a useful linguistic metaphor for comprehending how the natural sciences function.

    The first thing that a Normal Science (as defined by Thomas Kuhn) does is create a paradigm, which is to say that the bulldozer comes in and clears the land of all obstructions and establishes a foundation upon the solid rock of “measurement by standards”. If it cannot be properly measured in accordance to an established paradigm it does not exist. Since emotion, feeling, and meaning cannot be so measured then such things must be removed.

    Only the measurable and the commodified are meaningful in the land of the natural and economic sciences.

    This habit of removing all the things that do not fit the science has allowed the natural and economic sciences to be very productive in the human competition with Mother Nature. But I claim that this success, obtained by eliminating considerations based upon human meaning, comes at a heavy price.

    The science of economics has emulated the natural sciences and has reaped great successes as a result; if one does not take into consideration the human, social, and ecological costs of such sciences one can be deluded into bulldozing aside all considerations of human meaning as we construct our high tech society.

    In his book The Great Transformation: The Political and Economic Origins of Our Time Karl Polanyi argues that a self-regulating market economy requires “that human beings and the natural environment be turned into pure commodities, which assures the destruction of both society and the natural environment…the definition of a commodity is something that has been produce for sale on a market…land, labor, and money are fictitious commodities because they were not produced for sale on a market…Modern economics starts by pretending that these fictitious commodities will behave in the same way as real commodities…economic theorizing is based on a lie, and this lie places human society at risk.”

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    What is human meaning? Human/Social considerations?

    I find it strange that businesses and the sciences produce something, people buy it, and then they are burned at the stake because they haven't considered the social impact of what they do.

    No one said anyone had to buy a product or buy into a scientific mindset.

    So I just wonder what it is you are trying to say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Orbit View Post
    What is human meaning? Human/Social considerations?

    I find it strange that businesses and the sciences produce something, people buy it, and then they are burned at the stake because they haven't considered the social impact of what they do.

    No one said anyone had to buy a product or buy into a scientific mindset.

    So I just wonder what it is you are trying to say?

    When the citizens lack the intellectual sophistication to comprehend the problems we face they cannot help solve these problems but will in fact be the cause that those who do comprehend the matter cannot deal with them because our democracy will not accept the sacrifices demand.

    America now has an open society but few Americans have the Critical Thinking skills and intellectual sophistication required to maintain that status. The question becomes: "can a democracy survive in a world where technology is driving change at a very rapid pace?” Darwin informs us that if a species cannot adapt to its changing environment that species will soon become toast.

    I suspect that China represents an example of how such a fact plays out. China, an authoritarian form of capitalism, is likely destined to become the dominant power in the 21st century because an authoritarian system can better adapt to a rapidly changing world. America displays a nation unable to quickly adapt to a rapidly changing world.

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    I agree, a species that doesn't adapt will go extinct.

    People who don't adapt will be left by the curb. That's part of evolution. I don't think humans as a species are in danger. Just the people who can't adapt. Do you expect progress to happen in inches so everyone can keep up?

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    Yes, humans would be better served and more just if we took human (and environmental)concerns into account rather than simple profit. This is a failing of human nature rather than one of economics, or science, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Yes, humans would be better served and more just if we took human (and environmental)concerns into account rather than simple profit. This is a failing of human nature rather than one of economics, or science, IMO.
    What are these human considerations you are talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_Orbit View Post
    What are these human considerations you are talking about?
    What would happen if the oil well blew? Are we prepared for that eventuality? How would it impact the livelihood of the people who live here? Do we have a reserve of money for such an event?
    Maybe we should invest in other technology, since it appears that the one we are currently invested in is harmful to the environment, and will become obsolete, and creates social upheaval, both domestic and abroad.
    What if BP asked those questions instead of going for maximum short-term profit? that is what I'm talking about. IS that not a failing of human nature? Is greed/covetousness not a failing when one sees what it untimately can lead to, in this case, natural disaster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    Natural Science “don allow no meaning in here”!

    Natural science clears the land before it builds its structures. NATURAL SCIENCE IS BULLDOZIER might be a useful linguistic metaphor for comprehending how the natural sciences function.

    The first thing that a Normal Science (as defined by Thomas Kuhn) does is create a paradigm, which is to say that the bulldozer comes in and clears the land of all obstructions and establishes a foundation upon the solid rock of “measurement by standards”. If it cannot be properly measured in accordance to an established paradigm it does not exist. Since emotion, feeling, and meaning cannot be so measured then such things must be removed.

    Only the measurable and the commodified are meaningful in the land of the natural and economic sciences.

    This habit of removing all the things that do not fit the science has allowed the natural and economic sciences to be very productive in the human competition with Mother Nature. But I claim that this success, obtained by eliminating considerations based upon human meaning, comes at a heavy price.

    The science of economics has emulated the natural sciences and has reaped great successes as a result; if one does not take into consideration the human, social, and ecological costs of such sciences one can be deluded into bulldozing aside all considerations of human meaning as we construct our high tech society.

    In his book The Great Transformation: The Political and Economic Origins of Our Time Karl Polanyi argues that a self-regulating market economy requires “that human beings and the natural environment be turned into pure commodities, which assures the destruction of both society and the natural environment…the definition of a commodity is something that has been produce for sale on a market…land, labor, and money are fictitious commodities because they were not produced for sale on a market…Modern economics starts by pretending that these fictitious commodities will behave in the same way as real commodities…economic theorizing is based on a lie, and this lie places human society at risk.”
    Meaningless word salad. Are you trying to make some sort of point or are you just vomiting on your keyboard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevo View Post
    Meaningless word salad. Are you trying to make some sort of point or are you just vomiting on your keyboard?
    He's just a social scientist. Pay him no mind.
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