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    Strongly Ambivalent Ivy's Avatar
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    "When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, then you will know why I dismiss yours."

    "The divine is bigger than any of the boxes in which human beings have tried to corral it."

    Both of these quotes are very compelling to me. I guess that makes me agnostic. IMO, if God is real, then religions are the various imperfect ways that people have come up with to explain it and try to interface with it. They all seem silly and foreign to outsiders because they are man-made and culture-specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    They do not appear to kill for pleasure; they don't torture, or lie; and they usually have their priorities straight. The instincts we share with them are as valid and worthwhile as any of our other abilities. The key is to use all of them wisely, and not to be used by them.
    I have alot of respect for animals, but they are closer to human than many of us like to think; either people consider them sub-human and lacking any emotion or thought, or they consider them somehow 'pure' and untainted by thoughts of malice and such... both positions are false.

    Take a look at a housecat, they can and WILL kill for pleasure, because it is a game to them. They're built to act that way, but they will think nothing of it to kill a bird or mouse or mole or whotever, simply because they can.

    They will toy with it, injure it but not kill it immediately, toss it around and let it suffer for some time before death.

    They are also fully capable of lying. Just because we don't speak the same language, doesn't mean that we don't communicate with our pets; they can, and do, understand us, and we, them. Where do yeu think the term "puppy dog eyes" comes from? When a puppy or kitten or whotever does something they KNEW was wrong, and then tries to act innocent, which is, by definition, lying.



    Now, that being said, some animalistic traits we really should be considering emulating, as we are often lacking in many areas. We are not a specialist species... we're generalists that do a bit of everything. We're not the fastest, nor the strongest, and arguably we may not be the smartest XD

    Whot we have going for us, is adaptability, and the ability to understand ourselves, and our environment, and change ourselves to fit that environment. Our strongest ability is to adapt, which includes emulation of someone else who is successful already, be it an individual, or a species.

    As such, I apparently disagree with pretty much everything yeu said, though I didn't realize that until just now XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    "When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods, then you will know why I dismiss yours."

    "The divine is bigger than any of the boxes in which human beings have tried to corral it."

    Both of these quotes are very compelling to me. I guess that makes me agnostic. IMO, if God is real, then religions are the various imperfect ways that people have come up with to explain it and try to interface with it. They all seem silly and foreign to outsiders because they are man-made and culture-specific.
    Same situation. I was raised Catholic (I was always skeptical about it) and turned away from it. Ivy, I asked my mother, "How do you know which religion is right?" She replies, "You should pray to God about that."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitseleh View Post
    Same situation. I was raised Catholic (I was always skeptical about it) and turned away from it. Ivy, I asked my mother, "How do you know which religion is right?" She replies, "You should pray to God about that."
    That sounds like something my mom would say.
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    Yeah, religion totally sucks, especially western religion, especially any kind of christian religion. I reckon I used to go to curch (out of habit) up to 13. Now, when I do (out of obligation - marriages etc.) I almost start laughing @ the sermon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    "The divine is bigger than any of the boxes in which human beings have tried to corral it."
    Why is this? It's because the divine exists within the waters of the unconscious state, so it's not surprising that water is a symbol of divine purity and clarity in many religions. Waters of the unconscious cannot be caged or confined by any conscious symbol - even the crucifix betrays the true essence of what Christ means to Christians. The essence can be found in us all, but confined by none.

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