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    A common argument in Western Society is that biological evolution disproves the Judeo-Christian god because it dismisses the literal Biblical creation story as myth. However, I think that this is only a superficial argument that does not address the root of how God is "killed" for many.

    I think the death of "God" comes when one reconsiders the way one understands with the world on a psychological level, thereby creating new symbols for the affiliation one has with the world. For instance, the conflict between the Day and Night is not a literal "conflict", but rather a personification of our own conflicted psyche; and similarly, the conflict between God and Satan is a personification of our own psychological war between good and evil.

    Our psychological conflicts are just platforms for denotations, and those denotations are subject to our individual experiences. Quite often those experiences are influenced by cultural strains who foster the veneration of specific symbols; and culture clash occurs when one culture's symbol opposes another. On a microscopic level, this even happens between individuals. For instance, an Atheist may clash with a Theist, but they only clash because they fail to recognize that they are venerating different symbols by the same fundamental subconscious motivations.

    So, for all intents and purposes, the subconscious "God" never dies, nor do we kill it. We just resurrect it by our own avatars so that it may be used to communicate with others.

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    I am under the personal impression that god can only be dead once the idea of god has been discarded by the majority, or perhaps, everyone. It seems to me that god is only a concept, and his life, his existence, is limited to the willingness of the human mind to accept him as an absolute living being that does exist. Humanity breathed life into god, they raised him from the dirt and gave him life, but they have only done this conceptually. I think, an example of a dead god, would be an ancient being such as Zeuss, or Ra, or Odin, because no one believes in those gods, so they are dead.

    Although, I doubt it is completely possible for us to remove the entire concept of god entirely. But, as for these spiritual gods, perhaps. I personally think it would be a shame if the concept of god was lost entirely... What then would we strive to surpass?
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    To me, the concept of God being dead means abandoning the myth of superhuman entities creating, controlling and/or observing our lives as it proved to be an unsatisfying answer for the great questions of humanity at a certain point of its evolution. Instead of ending our childhood obsession with fake paternal figures, we've traded this myth for another one, the myth of science, believing that "enlightenment" is enough in itself to lead us to collective security and happiness. Surrounded by thousands of laputan machines and millions of miserable people, it is safe to say that we're starting to abandon this myth along the former one, or rather, it is abandoning us.

    The hole is yet to be filled.
    I bet reality shows can do it, though!


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    I just find it interesting that those who do not believe in God so desperately want to see him dead

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    In the post-modern worldview, the state has taken the place that God once occupied in the psyche during the more thoroughly theistic times in western history. Whereas before people trusted to God to see to their needs, today people increasingly put their trust in a benevolent Government.

    I suspect that their disillusionment will be along shortly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    A common argument in Western Society is that biological evolution disproves the Judeo-Christian god because it dismisses the literal Biblical creation story as myth.
    It's also a common fallacy, as a minority of Christian sects hold that the Biblical creation story is literally true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    In the post-modern worldview, the state has taken the place that God once occupied in the psyche during the more thoroughly theistic times in western history. Whereas before people trusted to God to see to their needs, today people increasingly put their trust in a benevolent Government.

    I suspect that their disillusionment will be along shortly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    In the post-modern worldview, the state has taken the place that God once occupied in the psyche during the more thoroughly theistic times in western history. Whereas before people trusted to God to see to their needs, today people increasingly put their trust in a benevolent Government.

    I suspect that their disillusionment will be along shortly.
    This was actually what I was thinking about (for a long time, actually), but I also see that science attempts to fill the void as a conductor for truth/fact. One of the more fledgling sciences is psychology, which is, in essence, a study of how we process information. In effect, we process how we process.

    People have been disillusioned with government since there was government to begin with. Are you saying that clinging to the government in place of God is trend in contemporary United States? 'Course. Especially if we are leaning into socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    People have been disillusioned with government since there was government to begin with.
    Yes, that's true, but before the 20th century government was understood to fit within a framework of human structures, all under the power of God. What we have now is different, i.e. government occuping the psychic niche formerly occupied by God. This leads to a great many consequences; for example, participation in civic duty and especially in the institution of social justice by legislation may be treated as a moral imperative; those who do not share in the faith-in-government may be treated as heretics; those who expect government to rescue them from various hardships become unable or unwilling to take initiative; and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Yes, that's true, but before the 20th century government was understood to fit within a framework of human structures, all under the power of God. What we have now is different, i.e. government occuping the psychic niche formerly occupied by God. This leads to a great many consequences; for example, participation in civic duty and especially in the institution of social justice by legislation may be treated as a moral imperative; those who do not share in the faith-in-government may be treated as heretics; those who expect government to rescue them from various hardships become unable or unwilling to take initiative; and so on.
    I agree and disagree. Many of our governmental structures and social structures are based on theological axioms (if not deistic axioms). Or, rather, they allow for religious freedom, but as time has elapsed, they have demanded that religion be a separate entity from state. So now people are torn between their own faiths and the state, and once the faiths are expunged, the state will be the only common denominator. So what was once religious freedom soon becomes religious oppression.

    On a side note, do you think there is a trend in youth becoming lazier because they expect the government to swoop in and save them?

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