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    Have you ever developed a personal philosophy that you later found out to be something that someone else cultivated in the past? Did you later realize that your philosophy wasn't has home-grown as you thought it was because of the impact it had on your society, and the subconscious impact it may have had on you as a result? If so, what was it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    Have you ever developed a personal philosophy that you later found out to be something that someone else cultivated in the past? Did you later realize that your philosophy wasn't has home-grown as you thought it was because of the impact it had on your society, and the subconscious impact it may have had on you as a result? If so, what was it?
    The purpose of Western philosophy is not to teach you how to live - that is the job of your parents, teachers and peers.

    No, the purpose of Western philosophy is to question what you have been taught - to question how you have been taught to live.

    This is a dangerous occupation as Socrates found when they gave him the hemlock.

    And it is dangerous to question how we live.

    It is seen as disrespectful to our parents. It is seen as bucking peer pressure. It is seen as anti-God. It is seen as unpatriotic. And in a society hooked on self esteem, it is seen as self destructive.

    Western philosophy requires intellectual integrity, moral courage and spontaneity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This is a dangerous occupation as Socrates found when they gave him the hemlock.
    Plato's desciption of Socrates's death in Phaedo is not consistent with the known symptoms of hemlock poisoning. His death was most certainly not by hemlock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The purpose of Western philosophy is not to teach you how to live - that is the job of your parents, teachers and peers.

    No, the purpose of Western philosophy is to question what you have been taught - to question how you have been taught to live.
    However, if you come to the conclusion that what you've been taught is wrong and thus change the way you live, philosophy has in effect taught you to live.

    Regarding the question, when I first heard of Utilitarism I was surprised anyone could disagree with it. Its definition of a good deed has always seemed obvious to me (and by and large, I still agree with it.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    Plato's desciption of Socrates's death in Phaedo is not consistent with the known symptoms of hemlock poisoning. His death was most certainly not by hemlock.
    G'day Banana, good to see you.

    And Socrates death is apocryphal, and as you point out so well, it is not literally true.

    It is meant to mark an epoch - indeed our epoch which starts apocryphally with Socrates.

    And of course it is meant to tell a story with a meaning. And it is a story that resonates in Western culture. It rings like a bell.

    And although it is not literally true, it does tell a deeper truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factotum View Post
    However, if you come to the conclusion that what you've been taught is wrong and thus change the way you live, philosophy has in effect taught you to live.
    I don't think the purpose of Western philosophy is to teach the right way to live or what is wrong in the way we live.

    I think it is up to our parents, teachers and peers to teach us right from wrong.

    No, Western philosophy is about inquiring into what is right and wrong. It is not to determine what is right and wrong - that has already been done by our parents, teachers and peers.

    I do think, though, that if we are still seeking the right way to live, then Western philosophy is not for us.

    We need to wait until we have determined what is right and wrong for us before we can enquire into it.

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    Reflect on the possibility that every thought has already been thought, Tater. That every feeling has been felt before. We are unique yet are not; everything that has been is now and shall be again.

    It's repackaging of the same stuff, over and over and over again. The past and future have no shape. A bigger question is, why?

    Look at the birds outside ... none of these are the birds from 10 years ago. All those birds from the past are dead, long gone. Yet the birds we see today seem the same and fly and live ... we see them as the same. Do we not?

    So my answer to your question is yes.
    "Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one."
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    "When people see some things as beautiful,
    other things become ugly.
    When people see some things as good,
    other things become bad."
    Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I think it is up to our parents, teachers and peers to teach us right from wrong.
    Then thinking about it would be rather pointless. Also, other people don't have a better way to determine what's good than philosophy and thinking in general either.

    No, Western philosophy is about inquiring into what is right and wrong. It is not to determine what is right and wrong - that has already been done by our parents, teachers and peers.
    Where did you get that definiton from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Reflect on the possibility that every thought has already been thought, Tater. That every feeling has been felt before. We are unique yet are not; everything that has been is now and shall be again.

    It's repackaging of the same stuff, over and over and over again. The past and future have no shape. A bigger question is, why?

    Look at the birds outside ... none of these are the birds from 10 years ago. All those birds from the past are dead, long gone. Yet the birds we see today seem the same and fly and live ... we see them as the same. Do we not?
    If this were true, there would be no point in doing mathematics or exploring the atom, the universe or ourselves.

    But the fact is we are discovering new thoughts every day. Whole universities are devoted to discovering new thoughts. Whole libraries of books are written about new thoughts.

    If there were no new thoughts, we would be limited to repeating the threadbare thoughts of astrology or MBTI.

    So no wonder you think there are no new thoughts, because that is what we do here. We repeat the same old thoughts of astrology and MBTI over and over again.

    And we do this for a purpose - to put our mind into a trance so we won't think any new thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    But the fact is we are discovering new thoughts every day. Whole universities are devoted to discovering new thoughts. Whole libraries of books are written about new thoughts.
    Are you sure they are new thoughts? Certainly we understand more and more about the intricate tapestry of our world all the time.

    But the fabric of thought is different than the product of that mental activity. The desire to understand, enlighten, to find truth, to solve problems.

    Those underlying motivations travel unchanged over hundreds and hundreds of years.
    "Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one."
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    "When people see some things as beautiful,
    other things become ugly.
    When people see some things as good,
    other things become bad."
    Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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