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    Your idea is flawed because, by definition, selfishness requires disregard of others, not just self-satiation.

    With that said, generalizing an idea to this degree makes the idea of the word "selfish" meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demimondaine View Post
    okay okay. but if the old lady spends her entire income giving dolls to children, to the point where she can no longer eat or drink, is her selfish action negated?
    no, she's just a moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    What is this supposed to mean?
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentMind View Post
    What is this supposed to mean?
    probably this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    Your idea is flawed because, by definition, selfishness requires disregard of others, not just self-satiation.
    Not always. It is really the precedence of ones needs or wants, and this doesn't always require that you disregard others.

    With that said, generalizing an idea to this degree makes the idea of the word "selfish" meaningless.
    I don't really understand what you're getting at exactly.
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentMind View Post
    Not always. It is really the precedence of ones needs or wants, and this doesn't always require that you disregard others.
    Do your examples show the precedence of ones needs or wants, or the presence of them?

    If by precedence, you mean it came first, then possibly.

    If by precedence, you mean in order of importance, then no.

    The latter is important. The former...not so much.
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    Selflessness is like perfection. Even if it doesn't exist, the idea is indispensable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adoamros View Post
    probably this
    I have no idea how this fits into this thread.

    Help me out here.
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Adoamros View Post
    probably this
    Thank you, sir. This thread is a product of Fi being an intrinsic motivator that can weigh values. In this context, we are weighing the values of altruism and selfishness in a way that is detached from a normal definition.

    Once Ayn Rand changed her subjective value of altruism, she felt free to cultivate her own ethical system which she felt was more beneficial. However, it was mostly just beneficial to her and other like-minded people. Note that Rand was an INTJ.

    People of other orientations will probably find that this philosophy does not resonate with them because their brand of altruism doesn't stem from the same individualistic source. Still, there will be like-minded people, like myself, who understand that these kinds of philosophies cannot be applied to all people, and so I take them with a grain of salt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    Do your examples show the precedence of ones needs or wants, or the presence of them?
    Both.

    If by precedence, you mean it came first, then possibly.

    If by precedence, you mean in order of importance, then no.

    The latter is important. The former...not so much.
    Hrrmm?
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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