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    Rez'd.

    I vote "no hope".

    False hope inspires mediocrity in one's self; you will be dependent on tired platitudes to keep you going (I know--I don't get it either).

    Once you tell all of that crap to piss off, you embrace the abyss of despair and something in you "breaks". Underneath that "facade" you've struggled to maintain all of your life...this is what you REALLY are. You won't like it. But you'll accept it.

    It's the most liberating feeling in the world. Recommended.

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    For anyone who believes in false hope..... go right ahead. But it's not my responsibility to keep that hope alive. That task is yours, and yours alone. I have no ethical obligation to do so, whatever you may think. If thinking positive is so easy and awesome, you should be able to do that without my help.

    I'm more than happy to live life with my glass half empty. My experiments in living life with my glass half full was not a success. I suppose I'll try that again if someone really wants me to, provided that they try my way, also. Maybe if there were more "glass half empty" people on Wall Street, the stock market wouldn't have crashed.

    I like knowing where things stand. If that makes me unhappy, it's my responsibility to deal with that. It's not anyone else's. Trying to be an optimistic is too chaotic.

    And check this out:

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...and_negativist

    Don't know how valid that is for everyone, but it certainly seems accurate for me. Also, crushing dreams is fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    People always fare better with a beautiful lie than the ugly truth. That's why religion is hardwired to our brains.
    That's a lie, and not a beautiful one. Maybe for ESFPs.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    I think I am a no hoper. I do though hope for better things but it is hope flying in the face of experience. I think I can't get my head around the fact I am a no hoper. Everything conspires to give me hope. And like a loon I reach for each bright hope. But for reasons I can't explain I remain a no hoper. I don't know what to do. I think of things to do, but somehow, for reasons I can't explain, I don't want to do them.

    I try to romanticise myself, I try to see myself as an attractive no hoper, but I don't seem to be able to attract hope.

    They tell me I should have faith, hope and charity. But being a no hoper, faith and charity are out of my reach.

    But I'm not even bad, I haven't been able to embrace my dark side. Most no hopers can at least go over to the dark side, but I remain caught at dusk and dawn with the dark on one side and the light on the other. My only saving grace is that I hear the Piper at the Gates of Dawn.

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    I don't like people telling me to be more optimistic.
    [Trump's] rhetoric is not an abuse of power. In the same way that it's also not against the law to do a backflip off of the roof of your house onto your concrete driveway. It's just mind-numbingly stupid and, to say the least, counterproductive. - Bush did 9-11


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    I want to say no but considering how good I can be at glossing things over and running on this bizarre form of negative optimism...it's gotten MUCH better with age, though. So I'll still say no but only speaking for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    I think I am a no hoper. I do though hope for better things but it is hope flying in the face of experience. I think I can't get my head around the fact I am a no hoper. Everything conspires to give me hope. And like a loon I reach for each bright hope. But for reasons I can't explain I remain a no hoper. I don't know what to do. I think of things to do, but somehow, for reasons I can't explain, I don't want to do them.

    I try to romanticise myself, I try to see myself as an attractive no hoper, but I don't seem to be able to attract hope.

    They tell me I should have faith, hope and charity. But being a no hoper, faith and charity are out of my reach.

    But I'm not even bad, I haven't been able to embrace my dark side. Most no hopers can at least go over to the dark side, but I remain caught at dusk and dawn with the dark on one side and the light on the other. My only saving grace is that I hear the Piper at the Gates of Dawn.
    So much love for your posts.

    Also, I think about your sig with fair frequency. Excellent choice, whatever reason it was.

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    If a deceived person knew that he was being deceived then he would no longer be deceived.

    If a person put her trust in false hope, knowing it was false, then it would no longer be hope, but rather insanity.

    There are some insane people, but the truth is that if anyone says he has no hope, he is not honest with himself. Everyone goes to bed hoping s/he will get up the next day, if he says otherwise and remains alive, he lies. We all have hope in the barest sense of the word, except for those who their own lives. They have no hope. Ultimately, true hopelessness produces death, yet even in death there can be hope. Those who say they have no hope and yet continue to speak and interact and reach out to others in any form whatsoever, have some form of hope. Even putting a thread on an internet form is evidence of hope. It testifies that the poster has an inclination or an expectation that someone might respond, so that is hope.

    Hope is nothing more than the expectation that something will happen. For example, I hope to go to work this morning. I hope the sun will come up in the morning. I hope to be successful in my business venture. Without hope, people DO nothing. Hope is the expectancy that all efforts will yield a result. Without hope the whole world would soon fall into...death, yet, even when there is death there is life. A seed cannot produce a new plant unless the seed coat dies and decays first, unless the seed is consumed with the new life; so, even death can produce, does produce, life and where there is life, there is hope.

    Dum spiro, spero, amicus.
    A student said to his master: "You teach me fighting, but you talk about peace. How do you reconcile the two?" The master replied: "It is better to be a warrior in a garden than to be a gardener in a war." - unknown/Chinese

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...=61024&page=14

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ene View Post
    Without hope, people DO nothing.
    My chaplain told me that those who do things cause all the trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    So much love for your posts.

    Also, I think about your sig with fair frequency. Excellent choice, whatever reason it was.
    Here it is -

    It was the Water Rat!

    Then the two animals stood and regarded each other cautiously.

    `Hullo, Mole!' said the Water Rat.

    `Hullo, Rat!' said the Mole.

    `Would you like to come over?' enquired the Rat presently.

    `Oh, its all very well to TALK,' said the Mole, rather pettishly, he being new to a river and riverside life and its ways.

    The Rat said nothing, but stooped and unfastened a rope and hauled on it; then lightly stepped into a little boat which the Mole had not observed. It was painted blue outside and white within, and was just the size for two animals; and the Mole's whole heart went out to it at once, even though he did not yet fully understand its uses.

    The Rat sculled smartly across and made fast. Then he held up his forepaw as the Mole stepped gingerly down. `Lean on that!' he said. `Now then, step lively!' and the Mole to his surprise and rapture found himself actually seated in the stern of a real boat.

    `This has been a wonderful day!' said he, as the Rat shoved off and took to the sculls again. `Do you know, I`ve never been in a boat before in all my life.'

    `What?' cried the Rat, open-mouthed: `Never been in a--you never--well I--what have you been doing, then?'

    `Is it so nice as all that?' asked the Mole shyly, though he was quite prepared to believe it as he leant back in his seat and surveyed the cushions, the oars, the rowlocks, and all the fascinating fittings, and felt the boat sway lightly under him.

    `Nice? It's the ONLY thing,' said the Water Rat solemnly, as he leant forward for his stroke. `Believe me, my young friend, there is NOTHING--absolute nothing--half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats. Simply messing,' he went on dreamily: `messing--about--in--boats; messing----'

    `Look ahead, Rat!' cried the Mole suddenly.

    It was too late. The boat struck the bank full tilt. The dreamer, the joyous oarsman, lay on his back at the bottom of the boat, his heels in the air.

    `--about in boats--or WITH boats,' the Rat went on composedly, picking himself up with a pleasant laugh. `In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not. Look here! If you've really nothing else on hand this morning, supposing we drop down the river together, and have a long day of it?'

    The Mole waggled his toes from sheer happiness, spread his chest with a sigh of full contentment, and leaned back blissfully into the soft cushions. `WHAT a day I'm having!' he said. `Let us start at once!'

    `Hold hard a minute, then!' said the Rat. He looped the painter through a ring in his landing-stage, climbed up into his hole above, and after a short interval reappeared staggering under a fat, wicker luncheon-basket.

    `Shove that under your feet,' he observed to the Mole, as he passed it down into the boat. Then he untied the painter and took the sculls again.

    `What's inside it?' asked the Mole, wriggling with curiosity.

    `There's cold chicken inside it,' replied the Rat briefly; `coldtonguecoldhamcoldbeefpickledgherkinssaladfren chrollscresssan dwichespottedmeatgingerbeerlemonadesodawater----'

    `O stop, stop,' cried the Mole in ecstacies: `This is too much!'

    `Do you really think so?' enquired the Rat seriously. `It's only what I always take on these little excursions; and the other animals are always telling me that I'm a mean beast and cut it VERY fine!'

    The Mole never heard a word he was saying. Absorbed in the new life he was entering upon, intoxicated with the sparkle, the ripple, the scents and the sounds and the sunlight, he trailed a paw in the water and dreamed long waking dreams. The Water Rat, like the good little fellow he was, sculled steadily on and forebore to disturb him.

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