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    False hope is a terrible crime against ourselves. With it we weave elaborate illusions that grow to define our very way of life, and when illusions define our lives we become irritated when these illusions fail when forced to face reality. Such are the clashes between science and religion.

    I'm all for the power of positive thinking but I don't see a need to mask it in lies. There are plenty of real and substantive reasons to carry hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feops View Post
    There are plenty of real and substantive reasons to carry hope.
    Such as?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Such as?
    In most any situation that can be overcome with an injection of false hope, one could likewise power through with determination.

    Or in a situation that could be eased (but not repaired) with false hope, one could likewise come to peace with the circumstances without deciet of the reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feops View Post
    Or in a situation that could be eased (but not repaired) with false hope, one could likewise come to peace with the circumstances without deciet of the reality.
    Its highly doubtful that most people could "come to peace" with a loved one (including themselves) dying; they can eventually numb themselves to the resulting anguish and despair, and thereby move on, but that provides less aggregate utility (generally speaking), than engaging in the type of false hope I mentioned earlier.

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    People's lives are entirely defined by illusions. And hope is never based on truth. Certainty is based on truth. And even truth is an illusion. Hope is simply a positive attitude towards the unknown. In that sense false hope has as much value as any other kind.
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Its highly doubtful that most people could "come to peace" with a loved one (including themselves) dying; they can eventually numb themselves to the resulting anguish and despair, and thereby move on, but that provides less aggregate utility (generally speaking), than engaging in the type of false hope I mentioned earlier.
    It is possible to accept the reality of life and death without emotionally hardening oneself to an insensitive state. It may not be easy, but I never claimed it would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    Mr Wonky Poodle, please don't prove your wonkerishness by posting questionable definitions of irrelevant abstract nouns in order to shore up an already weak ideological point. The child may be in a state of non-belief, but this does not make the child an atheist by any reasonable and generally accepted current definition. If you're having trouble with this concept, try finding a proper dictionary, and look up the word "atheist", which whether you like it or not defines a person who has made an active choice not to believe.
    No. There is both disbelief and lack of belief.

    Further, it's purposeless attributing a positive significance to simple incapacity. You might equally well say that all flies are atheists, or all planets are atheists, as they do not have (because they are not capable of posessing) religious faith, just as a baby is not, at least so far as we know.
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    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    I don't believe there is such a thing as false hope. Hope is hope. It doesn't change the future, but it changes your response to what is. It changes the way you feel, too. There is nothing false about that.

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    Finally, I have the time to write a real response to this.

    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    Further, it's purposeless attributing a positive significance to simple incapacity. You might equally well say that all flies are atheists, or all planets are atheists, as they do not have (because they are not capable of posessing) religious faith, just as a baby is not, at least so far as we know.
    Yes, you could say that about flies or trees, or a picture of Jesus, as they lack belief in a god. Personally, I find far more interesting to split the human body, preferably one of someone who is religious, down into it's tiny-bits, e.g., white and red blood cells, skin cells, etc., so as to call all those separately functioning peices, atheist.

    How does that strike you?

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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Feops View Post
    It is possible to accept the reality of life and death without emotionally hardening oneself to an insensitive state. It may not be easy, but I never claimed it would be.
    The issue is not whether it would be easy, but whether its the most utilitarian course of action.

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