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    Quote Originally Posted by Orobas View Post
    Parhaps a more apt question-is love a universal value?
    Good point. Let's add that to the OP.

    But what I'm getting at is that do most also consider love to be paramount as a universal truth? Does it exist in the way gravity exists, for example? Also, is it inherent in order to be alive, that we feel love? Or is it something else entirely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    Good point. Let's add that to the OP.

    But what I'm getting at is that do most also consider love to be paramount as a universal truth? Does it exist in the way gravity exists, for example? Also, is it inherent in order to be alive, that we feel love? Or is it something else entirely?
    Love is something that human beings experience mentally, emotionally and physically but you could say that w/o there being someone to experience it, it would cease to exist. If you were to believe in an all powerful omniscient, omnipresent etc God who is THE universal truth, than perhaps you could then say that God is love and therefor love is also paramount and universal


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    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    Yeah, it is. Relative to everything for humans.

    But they aren't universal in animals like they are in us. Unless you are saying all animals feel love.
    Many animals have the same love-chemicals humans have firing off in their brain. Serotonin is even found in plants.

    But I think the difference is humans have the conscious awareness of it. And on a cognitive level it's more complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Many animals have the same love-chemicals humans have firing off in their brain. Serotonin is even found in plants.

    But I think the difference is humans have the conscious awareness of it. And on a cognitive level it's more complex.
    Lol. So you think moles feel love, but just aren't conscious of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by luminous beam View Post
    Love is something that human beings experience mentally, emotionally and physically but you could say that w/o there being someone to experience it, it would cease to exist.
    I agree.

    If you were to believe in an all powerful omniscient, omnipresent etc God who is THE universal truth, than perhaps you could then say that God is love and therefor love is also paramount and universal


    But what if I don't believe in an omnipotent, omnicient, omnibenevolent God? Does love still exist if people exist? Where does it come from then? Only God? Or somewhere else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    Lol. So you think moles feel love, but just aren't conscious of it?
    More so chimps and higher level mammals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    But what if I don't believe in an omnipotent, omnicient, omnibenevolent God? Does love still exist if people exist? Where does it come from then? Only God? Or somewhere else?
    Well, you could break up what I said into two parts. Love defined w/o a God = a mere human experience. A sort of "if a tree falls in the middle of a forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?" type Q. The point you are trying to reach is whether or not LOVE is an independent variable not needing humans (or animals lol) to exist. My answer to that is...who the fuck knows lol.

    The other part of my earlier response was that of a more religious/spiritual definition of love. But usually that kind of stuff cannot be proved. However, I think it might be a big influence to a big majority of ppl who believe in a universal love. I think that's the only way one could really attempt at defining the possibility of LOVE standing on it's own and existing w/o the need for humans. Like seeing it as some sort of independent entity.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    More so chimps and higher level mammals.
    Okay. I agree.

    But you said the chemicals that make up our experience of love are universal, and that even plants had them; yet if only higher level mammals have the ability to feel love, it is not, therefore a universal, truth. Is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by luminous beam View Post
    Well, you could break up what I said into two parts. Love defined w/o a God = a mere human experience. A sort of "if a tree falls in the middle of a forest and no one is around to hear it does it make a sound?" type Q. The point you are trying to reach is whether or not LOVE is an independent variable not needing humans (or animals lol) to exist. My answer to that is...who the fuck knows lol.
    So you don't think humans can feel love independent of a concept of God? Let's assume there is a God, and people do feel love, is that a universal truth, able to be applied to the workings of the universe and all things everywhere? Or not?

    The other part of my earlier response was that of a more religious/spiritual definition of love. But usually that kind of stuff cannot be proved. However, I think it might be a big influence to a big majority of ppl who believe in a universal love. I think that's the only way one could really attempt at defining the possibility of LOVE standing on it's own and existing w/o the need for humans. Like seeing it as some sort of independent entity.
    People throw out the term "universal love" a lot, and I have as well. What exactly is that? Can you describe/define that? Does it exist on other planets that have life? Other solar systems? In space?
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    Quote Originally Posted by luminous beam View Post
    Love is something that human beings experience mentally, emotionally and physically but you could say that w/o there being someone to experience it, it would cease to exist. If you were to believe in an all powerful omniscient, omnipresent etc God who is THE universal truth, than perhaps you could then say that God is love and therefor love is also paramount and universal
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    I think people attribute Godlike powers to love, and perceive it as a universal truth, when it in fact, isn't.
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