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    the fact that I don't feel a CONNECTION is what's bugging me... just going through the motions is a pretty pathetic way to look at a religion- if it doesn't resonate I can't see what the point is
    I would say that you already see God (or whatever you want to call him/her/it) everyday, you just don't realize it.

    Have you ever been surprised by the kindness and charity you see in others?

    Have you ever been struck by the impossible beauty of a landscape?

    Have you ever been so happy that you thought heaven must be something like this?

    One of the main reasons I believe is that our world, and many of the people in it, are to incredible and beautiful for something greater than ourselves not to exist.

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    i don't fit in with religion either.. but i've explored spirituality quite a lot. not to say anyone has noticed, but my bookshelf would probably surprise some people, considering the way i might come off here (just sayin' i might come off as antagonistic towards religion... which i am... but it's not out of raw defiance or ignorance).

    anyways... point is.. find god for yourself. don't define the subject through other people. i'm trying to take my own advice there btw.. if i took other people into account, i wouldn't consider myself loved by god either. religious people can sometimes just bring you down and make you feel even less accepted.. i have many stories on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    What's up with this God fellow and why does he taunt me so?
    He (or she/it, depending on who's ideology you choose to buy into) is almost certainly a creation of human imagination.


    I would LOVE to beleive in something, have a community of a sort and have that feeling of safety, calm and acceptance that people can find with religion but it just doesn't click.
    Can I ask why you feel that sense of community has to be based in religion? There are plenty of community organizations outside of religious ones.


    Part of this is because I feel that who I AM doesn't quite jive correctly with a lot of religions- for some I'm too exhuberant and fascinated by sensory experiences, for some I am an evil sinful harlot... and I can't stand the idea of a religion that would send anyone to Hell... if I couldn't do it I sure as hell don't want to beleive in a God who would
    You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to belong to a church, its doctrine comes with it, whether you agree with it or not.


    And it's not that I'm an atheist either- I beleive in something- just the thought that I can't quite put my finger on it really bugs me... religions fascinate me, I love reading about them, but I can't manage to fit in
    Yet you keep trying, which leads me to ask: why?


    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    I feel exactly the same way that you do. I want to believe, but I just don't feel it.
    Why do you want to believe though?
    “My generation's apathy. I'm disgusted with it. I'm disgusted with my own apathy too, for being spineless and not always standing up against racism, sexism and all those other -isms the counterculture has been whinning about for years.” -Kurt Cobain

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    why doesn't God love me?
    I don't know, but I'm pretty sure it's because you blew off the Chicago meet-up.

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    anyways... point is.. find god for yourself. don't define the subject through other people. i'm trying to take my own advice there btw.. if i took other people into account, i don't consider myself loved by god either. religious people can sometimes just bring you down and make you feel even less accepted.. i have many stories on that.
    This.

    The only person who should define your relationship with God (or w/e higher power you prefer) is you.

    I've been told (and tend to agree) that anything that gets between you and God, which can include church and others who tell you how or what to believe, is not of God.

    Before you can really join a community of other believers, I would say that you should decide how you would like spirituality to fit into your life. Once you have that completed, you can then go about finding like minded others who can help you grow in your relationship with God.

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    yeah, I beleive in kindness- I couldn't live in a world without it

    I beleive that everything living is connected in a way- almost like when Emerson described us as tidepools that are eventually washed back into the ocean

    I feel more connected in nature and outdoors than inside and with technology- there's a feeling of connectedness and LIFE out there that I can't ever get in a church- even though the architecture of cathedrals thrills me from an artistic viewpoint

    I beleive that there's nothing wrong with enjoying food and sensations- that they are a part of life and a manner of connecting with it in a way

    but there's just a kind of lack of community thing there- when other people talk religion I don't ever intend to be snippy or antagonistic, because the fact that they can succeed in finding a hole that their peg fits into is cool... it's just kind of hard to identify in a way
    “Oh, we're always alright. You remember that. We happen to other people.” -Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    I looked for God for years as a physical presence because everyone would always talk about FEELING God's presence, but I never could find anything like that exactly.
    I've felt that. Or something which I labelled as caused by God's presence, at least. It felt remarkably similar to tripping on acid, actually. From the stomach (for those who have tripped on acid). I would feel it even when I had been thinking about other things at the time. It was sufficient to attract my attention from wherever it had been previously. It wasn't random either -- it'd happen mostly when I went into particular churches, and happened without fail when I participated in a baptism.

    So I've felt it, but I don't know what to make of it. I hear you about hell (ie everlasting torment), though. It's been considered throughout church history as one of the trickier doctrines. Really anyone who believes that salvation is by grace shouldn't have much of a problem with universalism.

    For what it's worth, Whatever, I would totally let you into heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I think you have to be an ExxJ to start a religion
    Cool .. I'll start a religion then

    The 'book' will only contain one page which will state ...

    When one door closes doesn't necessarily mean all the doors are closed.

    Keep options and other perspectives open.

    Over analyzing takes away from the moment .. Quiet the mind.

    Do what makes you feel good.

    Go forth and spread the word .. Will happily accept any donations for the cause .. These one page books are not cheap.



    On a serious note though .. Not much help here but i hope you find some clarity.
    “I made you take time to look at what I saw and when you took time to really notice my flower, you hung all your associations with flowers on my flower and you write about my flower as if I think and see what you think and see—and I don't.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    What's up with this God fellow and why does he taunt me so?
    Because you view God as something outside of yourself. Worse yet, "a fellow." As if to suggest the concept of God is a man.

    "Why does he taunt me so?" The only person taunting you - is you.

    I would LOVE to beleive in something...
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    the fact that I don't feel a CONNECTION is what's bugging me..
    The "connection" you are lacking isn't with religion.
    You say you would love to believe in something? Fine. Start with yourself.

    Best to you.

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    Even as a believer and a religious person, I feel this often enough. I don't have any solutions, but I just wanted to let you know that you're not the only one to feel this. I mean, I do feel the connection at times, but generally I don't seem to feel the same things other people feel when experiencing the same things they are in a spiritual context. I thought it was introversion, but this thread makes me think that might not be the case.
    “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
    ~ John Rogers

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