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    Quote Originally Posted by forzen View Post
    Hopefully, when that time comes they pick English, I'd hate to learn another language to talk to aliens if I was still alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    What matter to us are things about our own size and speed. So the things that matter to us are called intuitive.

    Things that are too big for us to see directly like the universe, or too small for us to see directly like the atom, don't matter to us and are called counter-intuitive.

    For instance we know that intuitively the sun goes round the earth, but we know counter-intuitively that the earth goes round the sun.

    But what is interesting is that spoken societies are intuitive, while literate societies are counter-intuitive. That is because to speak is intuitive, while learning to read and write is counter-intuitive.

    But almost all of us are compelled to go to school by law. So literacy is onerous. It takes twenty years of study to master. And it is too much for many so they revert to the spoken culture of astrology and MBTI.

    So astrology and MBTI are a failure to learn to think counter-intuitively.

    Fortunately with the advent of the telephone, the television and the internet we are entering the intuitive global village. And astrology and MBTI are both intuitive and so are popular.

    But both astrology and MBTI are simply illiterate.
    Well, that was a nice personal stream-of-consciousness logic chain. That is, I'm guessing that you find logic or obviousness in how the sentences progress; I don't. Carry on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeafAndSky View Post
    le' [shit] [someone] [actually] chenmoHta' [a] tlhIngan [translator].

    [It's] Dung Hut SaDmey!!

    vam 'oH [sparda]

    Respect my Klingon :workout:!!
    This post grammatical errors had been intentionally left uncorrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeafAndSky View Post
    Well, that was a nice personal stream-of-consciousness logic chain. That is, I'm guessing that you find logic or obviousness in how the sentences progress; I don't. Carry on!
    If we think in terms of print, we think in terms of linear, sequential logic.

    But if we think in terms of electronic text, as this is, we think in terms of the gestalt, we think in terms of resonance, we think in terms of non-linear, non-sequential prose.

    I mean just look at my style, surely that gives the clue that I am writing electronic text. I am writing telegraphic prose.

    To understand it we need to listen instead of look. So rather than looking at the etext, we listen to the resonances.

    And rather than mentioning the obvious lack of linear, sequential logic, we resonate in reply.

    We reply to a resonance with a resonance.

    It's like living in a huge bell that we can all hear resonating at the same time, on every corner of the earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forzen View Post
    Respect my Klingon :workout:!!
    I do, I do! (Why isn't there a Klingon Smilie?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    If we think in terms of print, we think in terms of linear, sequential logic.

    But if we think in terms of electronic text, as this is, we think in terms of the gestalt, we think in terms of resonance, we think in terms of non-linear, non-sequential prose.

    I mean just look at my style, surely that gives the clue that I am writing electronic text. I am writing telegraphic prose.

    To understand it we need to listen instead of look. So rather than looking at the etext, we listen to the resonances.

    And rather than mentioning the obvious lack of linear, sequential logic, we resonate in reply.

    We reply to a resonance with a resonance.

    It's like living in a huge bell that we can all hear resonating at the same time, on every corner of the earth.

    That one was poetic, I grant you that. By the way, who is the 'we' you're referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeafAndSky View Post
    I do, I do! (Why isn't there a Klingon Smilie?)
    Because there are only two klingon expression:

    -pissed.
    -about to get pissed (this are only seen in infant klingons).
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeafAndSky View Post
    That one was poetic, I grant you that. By the way, who is the 'we' you're referring to?
    The 'I', the individual self is a function of literacy, while the 'we' is a function the telephone. And the internet is simply a computer connected to the phone line.

    So we are all 'we'. 'I' is simply nostalgia for literacy and the age of print.

    But the age of print is over, and we are now in the electronic age.

    Welcome, LeafAndSky, to the noosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The 'I', the individual self is a function of literacy, while the 'we' is a function the telephone. And the internet is simply a computer connected to the phone line.

    So we are all 'we'. 'I' is simply nostalgia for literacy and the age of print.

    But the age of print is over, and we are now in the electronic age.

    Welcome, LeafAndSky, to the noosphere.

    If it makes you happy to include others in your opinion statements by generalizing those statements (using 'we'), go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forzen View Post
    Because there are only two klingon expression:

    -pissed.
    -about to get pissed (this are only seen in infant klingons).
    Fascinating. (Desperately need Star Trek emoticons for this thread.)

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