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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    I don't know if that can be attributed to paganism really, unless you count Gnosticism into the fold. The apocalyptic mentality you're referring to is more a feature found within the Abrahamic traditions.
    Yes, but it is the same belief, when you get down to it:

    1. The Earth (aka creation) is corrupted by man (environmentally, spiritually, what have you). Our existence/success is somehow wrong.

    2. The creator (or some associated god) will make man pay, and return Earth to its imagined pristine state.

    3. True believers will survive this cleansing, and live this utopian pristine Earth.

    4. If you punish the corrupted man now, you will be fast-tracked to utopian paradise.

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    You find variations on these themes in every religion that inspire people to die. Tis partially why such religions have conquered the world.

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    Alright.

    Dearly beloved moderator who happens to read this...
    Can you please remove all the off-topic posts?
    They sort of ruin the purpose, you know.

    While derailing is fun, and people cannot seem to stop, can you set it right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleseven View Post
    Yes, but it is the same belief, when you get down to it:

    1. The Earth (aka creation) is corrupted by man (environmentally, spiritually, what have you). Our existence/success is somehow wrong.

    2. The creator (or some associated god) will make man pay, and return Earth to its imagined pristine state.

    3. True believers will survive this cleansing, and live this utopian pristine Earth.

    4. If you punish the corrupted man now, you will be fast-tracked to utopian paradise.

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    You find variations on these themes in every religion that inspire people to die. Tis partially why such religions have conquered the world.
    That's only true largely with Abrahamic faiths. In Norse paganism, for example, the concept of Ragnarok is a little bit different since the gods and goddesses and heaven(well their version of it) all get destroyed. IIRC, yes there is a rebirth afterwards, but often that's seen as a Christian addition later on when they wrote down the Sagas. There's debate about whether Ragnarok itself is a result of Christian influence.

    I guess we're derailing the thread, so I'll end it there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    Like I said, i'm not here to defend anything.
    Perhaps this post would be more appropriate as a blog or private journal? If you are indeed INTJ, you understand that other INTJs will pull apart what you believe, even if you don't like it.

    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    I might have been a bit vague, but this thread is not for you or your opinions, Eagleseven. Or anyone stating similar negative views.
    So you are simply excluding anyone who is skeptical of your spiritual experience and subsequent conversion?

    Perhaps your conversion has changed your personality, as well. Change happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    Although, I get your point.
    Like I said, i'm no loony, and I do not dismiss the efficiency of science.
    It's just that it is perhaps a tad *too* effective, so that the rules must change.
    We're biologically still cavemen, and we're living through a time of lightning fast change. We all struggle with future shock, and I understand that.

    I am just rather surprised that you take solace in a belief system that you yourself admit is blatantly irrational.

    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    And... I'm not in the mood for martyrdom or suicide, I thoroughly enjoy living
    I'm glad to hear that...we have enough people blowing themselves up to punish us for our sins.

    When you imagine an "ideal" Earth without humans, you likely imagine this:



    I like this, too. It currently exists in Canada, I suggest you visit. Makes life worth living.

    My image of a "pre-human" world differs slightly:



    I sincerely hope that your gods do not return the Earth to this state.

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    (thanks, mods!)

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    ^Dude, he explicitly asked for this thread to be something of a communion with his fellow pagans; leave it alone.

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    What the hell is this? I can't make a thread with the meaning I intend and not have it hijacked and turned into a pie-throwing contest for or against religion?

    Seriously. This was not the intended meaning, and since it is my thread it is very rude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    What the hell is this? I can't make a thread with the meaning I intend and not have it hijacked and turned into a pie-throwing contest for or against religion?

    Seriously. This was not the intended meaning, and since it is my thread it is very rude.
    Your original thread is still intact:

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...periences.html

    This is a clone, so that personal revelations aren't mixed with a comparative discussion of Paganism. A fair compromise on the mods part, if I do say so myself.

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    So what that means we can continue discussing?

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    No, this is the original thread. The other one is a split of some kind.
    I have asked that they delete this thread and keep the personal experiences one.

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