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    Guys, PLEASE don't argue with Victor. Don't even attempt it.

    I kind of like the man personally, but with Victor the normal rules of forum interaction don't apply, and threads in which he is a central character frequently turn into sh!tstorms. So let it be, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    So you're for the tradition or against? I'm not following between your paragraphs.
    I'm an RC, we're all about the tradition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Guys, PLEASE don't argue with Victor. Don't even attempt it.

    I kind of like the man personally, but with Victor the normal rules of forum interaction don't apply, and threads in which he is a central character frequently turn into sh!tstorms. So let it be, please.
    Yeah, I used to think that people over reacted to him but its like he cant handle interaction and has to drive you away, no matter how many allowances you make for him.

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    I refuse to believe Victor is a real human being... kind of like Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    How much of the bible is metaphor and then literal? How are we to be expected to properly translate what the fuck is being said or instructed? There's so much ambiguity about the whole subject, that it's just ridiculous to me that someone can be confident that they're "living the right way" in following the God of the bible.
    I tend to think of it almost entirely as metaphors/symbolism/mythology...

    However I would say it's less about living a specific "right" way and more about personal growth and gaining insight into the spiritual universe and that sort of thing.
    Your kisses, sweeter than honey. But guess what, so is my money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    How much of the bible is metaphor and then literal? How are we to be expected to properly translate what the fuck is being said or instructed? There's so much ambiguity about the whole subject, that it's just ridiculous to me that someone can be confident that they're "living the right way" in following the God of the bible.
    It is tricky isn't it? I think if people are too confident they're worshiping wrong, because your beliefs and values are sort of sharpened on the knife of doubt. If you are overly sure, then chances are you're not looking closely enough.

    The Bible reminds me of parents that make up cautionary tales to scare their kids into being good. "Don't run with scissors because little Suzy ran with scissors and she tripped and you know what happened? The bogeyman stabbed her in the eye." Mind you, the Bible is usually more eloquent than your average parent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    Off topic, but God Vs. Adam is so fucked up, I don't care what the stakes are... It's this all knowledgeable and powerful being, versus a weak human being, made by this all knowledgeable and powerful being. "Hey, if you give into the instincts and desires I gave you, you're damned! Hah!" -- "If you resist natural urge, uhh, well, maybe I won't condemn the rest of the world to pain and suffering for the duration of it's existence. Hah!"
    It's kind of psychotic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever_Jung View Post
    It is tricky isn't it? I think if people are too confident they're worshiping wrong, because your beliefs and values are sort of sharpened on the knife of doubt. If you are overly sure, then chances are you're not looking closely enough.
    Well I think if you're TOO confident/arrogant then there's a good chance you'll miss additional insight which might come your way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    Well I think if you're TOO confident/arrogant then there's a good chance you'll miss additional insight which might come your way.
    Yeah that's what I meant

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    I thought this was going to be a thread about original sin. :disappoint:

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