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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The Christ myth is a blood sacrifice in a time of slavery, misogyny and child abuse.

    Civilized countries are moving away from blood sacrifice, slavery, misogyny and child abuse.
    The teachings of Jesus Christ were pretty radical/progressive at the time. That's actually a huge part of the reason why he was killed. He upset the status quo.

    Anyway, you didn't answer my question about homosexuals and misogyny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    Exodus chapter 21- God's standard of justice was "eye for eye, tooth for tooth...soul for soul". He didn't require human sacrifices because it was impossible for any ordinary human's life to satisfy what Adam lost. The animal sacrifices that were acceptible were for temporary forgiveness, and even those animals had to be relatively healthy and sound to be accepted.

    It was a test to Abraham's faithfulness. If you recall, Isaac was born to a 100year old Abraham and a 90 year old Sarah- a miracle birth. God asked Abraham to do it, and Abraham all but complied before he was stopped by God himself. But it also symbolizes the greater sacrifice later made by Jesus.

    Hope this is answering your question. To be honest I had to look at it a few times before I got it.
    Off topic, but God Vs. Adam is so fucked up, I don't care what the stakes are... It's this all knowledgeable and powerful being, versus a weak human being, made by this all knowledgeable and powerful being. "Hey, if you give into the instincts and desires I gave you, you're damned! Hah!" -- "If you resist natural urge, uhh, well, maybe I won't condemn the rest of the world to pain and suffering for the duration of it's existence. Hah!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    The teachings of Jesus Christ were pretty radical/progressive at the time. That's actually a huge part of the reason why he was killed. He upset the status quo.
    Next you will be telling me Christ was killed by the Jews, and so perpetuating the blood libel of deicide.

    In the myth, Christ was sacrificed by his Father.

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    Jesus committed a crime by Roman law and received the punishment that the crime was meted... everyone overcomplicates that fact... just look at the roman laws and common punishments at the time and you'll realize that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    Off topic, but God Vs. Adam is so fucked up, I don't care what the stakes are... It's this all knowledgeable and powerful being, versus a weak human being, made by this all knowledgeable and powerful being. "Hey, if you give into the instincts and desires I gave you, you're damned! Hah!" -- "If you resist natural urge, uhh, well, maybe I won't condemn the rest of the world to pain and suffering for the duration of it's existence. Hah!"
    That's a metaphor, the bible is full of parables and Jesus used them himself so I'm always confused as to why people need to read Genesis literally.

    The moral of the story is about doubt, you shouldnt doubt God, and I think its pretty clear that there's a choice to be made, behave like an animal or behave with divinity? Which is it going to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Next you will be telling me Christ was killed by the Jews, and so perpetuating the blood libel of deicide.

    In the myth, Christ was sacrificed by his Father.
    Why are you avoiding my question, Victor? I am honestly just curious what you think...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    That's a metaphor, the bible is full of parables and Jesus used them himself so I'm always confused as to why people need to read Genesis literally.

    The moral of the story is about doubt, you shouldnt doubt God, and I think its pretty clear that there's a choice to be made, behave like an animal or behave with divinity? Which is it going to be?
    How much of the bible is metaphor and then literal? How are we to be expected to properly translate what the fuck is being said or instructed? There's so much ambiguity about the whole subject, that it's just ridiculous to me that someone can be confident that they're "living the right way" in following the God of the bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    Exodus chapter 21- God's standard of justice was "eye for eye, tooth for tooth...soul for soul". He didn't require human sacrifices because it was impossible for any ordinary human's life to satisfy what Adam lost. The animal sacrifices that were acceptible were for temporary forgiveness, and even those animals had to be relatively healthy and sound to be accepted.

    It was a test to Abraham's faithfulness. If you recall, Isaac was born to a 100year old Abraham and a 90 year old Sarah- a miracle birth. God asked Abraham to do it, and Abraham all but complied before he was stopped by God himself. But it also symbolizes the greater sacrifice later made by Jesus.

    Hope this is answering your question. To be honest I had to look at it a few times before I got it.
    He doesnt demand human sacrifice even in Exodus, that is about proportionality, ie you dont take the lives of an entire tribe if one of them puts the eye out of one of your kinsmen, although that's been forgotten pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    How much of the bible is metaphor and then literal? How are we to be expected to properly translate what the fuck is being said or instructed? There's so much ambiguity about the whole subject, that it's just ridiculous to me that someone can be confident that they're "living the right way" in following the God of the bible.
    Well I'm not too worried, I've got thousands of years of expert scholarship and tradition to rely on, anyone who believes in solo scripture or a holy priesthood of all believers could be in trouble with that one though.

    Anyway, there's tradition too, personally I think if Christianity IS the bible then it is a dead religion, its more than just the bible, its tradition too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Well I'm not too worried, I've got thousands of years of expert scholarship and tradition to rely on, anyone who believes in solo scripture or a holy priesthood of all believers could be in trouble with that one though.

    Anyway, there's tradition too, personally I think if Christianity IS the bible then it is a dead religion, its more than just the bible, its tradition too.
    So you're for the tradition or against? I'm not following between your paragraphs.

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