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    Default What is the western equivalent of a Zen Master?

    I wonder about this, I recently talked to someone who about what they considered the gradual easternisation of the west, through lots of cultural imports, without hostility or anything, I love the same eastern cultural inroads and hope they continue.

    However I dont think I can readily identify the western equivalents, magicians? Mystics? Scholars?

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    What to you are the defining qualities of a Zen master? What are the standards you would want to judge the equivalence against?
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    This is the closest we get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post


    This is the closest we get.
    Way to miss the point

    I think it's a question worth taking a bit more seriously than that, though not an easy one to answer definitively, if there is indeed a definitive answer. At the moment I don't really know what qualities Lark would associate with a Zen master; without a clearer context there's not much point in me trying to make any definite suggestions, much though the subject interests me.

    If it helps, I'm aware of a poster on this forum who regularly manifests a Zen- like approach. I have no idea whether this person actually has a philosophical committment to Zen or whether it's just their personality, however. I would suspect that either way they have a good understanding of the underlying principles of the philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragashree View Post
    Way to miss the point


    If it helps, I'm aware of a poster on this forum who regularly manifests a Zen- like approach. I have no idea whether this person actually has a philosophical committment to Zen or whether it's just their personality, however. I would suspect that either way they have a good understanding of the underlying principles of the philosophy.
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    Umm, a Navy SEAL???

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    I would, just to be generous. But you didn't put the right animal in your avatar.
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    Scott, I knew I would find you in here ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Scott, I knew I would find you in here ...
    Yeah, I'm not predictable or anything...

    Note to self: working on being less predictable...

    Back to the thread though, any takers on the Navy SEAL idea??? maybe a really good blacksmith or other such kind of artisan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I wonder about this, I recently talked to someone who about what they considered the gradual easternisation of the west, through lots of cultural imports, without hostility or anything, I love the same eastern cultural inroads and hope they continue.

    However I dont think I can readily identify the western equivalents, magicians? Mystics? Scholars?
    Traduttore, traditore - to translate it to betray. So to translate Eastern practice into the West is to betray it.

    We can only be loyal to our own tradition. And our own tradition is mysticism. And my favourite mystic is Simone Weil (pronounced Vey).

    Simone was the first female graduate from the Sorbonne and a mystic. And those who know her, love her.

    Of course in the global village the West is moving East, and the West is moving East. And as we perceive by making distinctions, it is important we keep the distinction between East and West so that we can see one another clearly.

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