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    Quote Originally Posted by Satine View Post
    *gives up*

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post


    This is the closest we get.
    damn you you beat me to it

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    "Anyone who has ever spent time in the ocean, on a surfboard, in pursuit of the ultimate ride, has a basic understanding of Zen principle. As it relates to surfing, the Zen state culminates in the ride, on the wave, where all natural elements and human senses fuse into a spontanious transformation of (no) consciousness, experienced in an absolute timeless moment. Surfing echoes the rhythms of nature: always there, continually reoccurring, no two split-seconds are ever the same."

    Zen of Surfing>CSUCI-What is Zen?



    Zen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    Zen!
    Yeah. The hippies and the surfers. I know some of the former, or former former, I mean former hippies. They grew up 10 years or so before me, I'm 53, and dang, some are the coolest, head-on-straight, unpretentious, startling, 'this moment' people, well worth spending time with and learning from.

    Forget spending time on theological and philosophical fine points; where the 'Zen' hippies and surfers live is where the rubber meets the road! (Okay, really inappropriate cliche in multiple ways.)

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    Yup, jus' be!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    If ones definition of spirituality equates to narcissicism perhaps. If spirituality means the pursuit of inner wisdom regarding the transcendent, then an honourable attention to authority is necessary.
    all 'real' metaphysical knowledge is narcissistic (self dependent). any organization that claims to have metaphysical knowledge provable to everyone is most likely actually engaging in pseudo science than metaphysics (for example, referencing skeptical evidence/historical "fact" is more the realm of pseudo-science than metaphysics).

    are you forgetting about transcendental idealism again? aw shucks peguy...

    lets review, shall we?

    1. all Synthetic a priori beliefs (which all truly metaphysical beliefs are) are ultimately dependent on our own perception. They come from "subject" independent (ie before) of experience and are modified by "predicate" not simply built into the subject.

    2. Scientific measurement (postriori synthetic) cannot support truly metaphysical beliefs (if they did, then they wouldn't actually be metaphysical beliefs).

    3. Purely analytic philosophy of absolute necessities (a priori analytic) or of hypothetical (postriori analytic) cannot support truly metaphysical beliefs (If they did, they once again would not actually be metaphysical beliefs).

    4. You can reject this system of categorization only if you wish to see "before experience" and "after experience" as non exhaustive, and additionally see "analytic" and "synthetic" as non exhaustive. Good luck with that...


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    Rick Warren

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeafAndSky View Post
    People come to the pursuit of spirituality -- or the pursuit of happiness or fulfillment or contentment or bliss through spirituality/metaphysics/etc. -- for many reasons.
    Spirituality is nothing less than our opium - the heart of a heartless world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Spirituality is nothing less than our opium - the heart of a heartless world.
    I don't know you . . . what is your own spirituality like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeafAndSky View Post
    I don't know you . . . what is your own spirituality like?
    'Spirituality' is a New Age word that replaces the word 'religion'.

    So the word 'spirituality' is politicly correct.

    In fact 'spirituality' is a weasel word.

    It is a word that places conformity above the inner life.

    And I find my inner life is a bubbling spring of delight that wants nothing less than spontaneity.

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