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    Well yes there's a whole Christian mystical tradition that has nothing to do with Gnosticism. Gnosticism is a herectical form of mysticism largely, at least concerning it within the Christian tradition. There were non-Christian Gnostics, so in many ways can be seen as a different tradition of its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott N Denver View Post
    Perhaps that may be, but I've never heard of them before. I was following Wilber and others in my selection.

    Fwiw, Wilber chooses: Plotinus, Meister Eckhardt, St. John of the Cross, and St. Teresa of Avila [and Giordano Bruno] as examples of western mystics of different levels
    I'm enjoying everyone's contributions to this conversation. May I suggest that in matters of spirituality, there's no need to follow anyone or cite authorities. We are our own authorities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeafAndSky View Post
    I'm enjoying everyone's contributions to this conversation. May I suggest that in matters of spirituality, there's no need to follow anyone or cite authorities. We are our own authorities.
    Ken Wilber is an extremely well-known philosopher and integral theorist, and much of his work dealt with finding commonalities between different meditative traditions. Like many people, I am a fan of his work, and its often easier for me to quote or reference Wilber than to try to directly quote from Vedanta, or Buddhism, or Taoism, all of which I practice btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeafAndSky View Post
    May I suggest that in matters of spirituality, there's no need to follow anyone or cite authorities. We are our own authorities.
    If ones definition of spirituality equates to narcissicism perhaps. If spirituality means the pursuit of inner wisdom regarding the transcendent, then an honourable attention to authority is necessary.

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    Shakespeare and the Lone Ranger

    Quote Originally Posted by LeafAndSky View Post
    We are our own authorities.
    Only someone living in a Protestant country, and taking it for granted, could say that.

    And Protestants, they tell me, are never more Protestant than when they are alone.

    No one, for instance, would ever suspect the Lone Ranger of being Catholic.

    We might suspect Shakespeare of being Catholic, but never the Lone Ranger.

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    I'll never get those 30 seconds back.

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    Thomas Merton and the Electric Jug

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    Ken Wilber is an extremely well-known philosopher and integral theorist, and much of his work dealt with finding commonalities between different meditative traditions.
    What is interesting is how much the mystic traditions of different religions have in common.

    Thomas Merton, a Western mystic, recognised this and went to study Buddhist mysticism in Thailand.

    Unfortunately he was electrocuted by an electric jug in Thailand.

    Electricity of course is the life blood of the noosphere, so perhaps the electric jug was trying to tell us something.

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    For those that wanna explore the prechristian version more:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    I'll never get those 30 seconds back.
    ..or the other countless hours you've spent trolling Victor.

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    Umm, can anyone explain to me what a 'Zen Master' is?

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