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  • Abstinence before Marriage

    19 25.68%
  • Fidelity in Marriage

    58 78.38%
  • Being against Pornography

    15 20.27%
  • Being against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior

    9 12.16%
  • Patriotism

    12 16.22%
  • Religious Freedom

    67 90.54%
  • Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia

    19 25.68%
  • Being against Addictive Drugs

    27 36.49%
  • Being against Alcohol

    10 13.51%
  • Being against Gambling

    14 18.92%
  • Being intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture.

    15 20.27%
  • Discrimination as the wisdom of choosing between good and evil.

    9 12.16%
  • The Ends justifying the Means.

    10 13.51%
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    Default The Traditional Values Poll

    These are listed as the traditional values by the Traditional Values Coalition of America. Tradition is often used as a marker on personality tests to determine type, and I am curious as to who believes what, why, and to what degree. I'll make this poll public in all hopes that it isn't too controversial.

    Abstinence before Marriage
    Fidelity in Marriage
    Against Pornography
    Against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior
    Patriotism
    Religious Freedom
    Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia
    Against Addictive Drugs
    Against Alcohol
    Against Gambling
    Intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture.
    Discrimination is the wisdom of choosing between good and evil.
    The Ends Justify the Means.

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    I don't believe in any of it, but I am a philosophical nihilist ...

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    Abstinence before Marriage No, least not for myself.
    Fidelity in Marriage Yes, although I think marriage is an agreement between people - the negotiated terms of a contract more than inherent fidelity.
    Against Pornography No, although I don't particularily understand the need.
    Against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior No.
    Patriotism No.
    Religious Freedom Yes, up to a degree anyway. The problem here is that freedom means "I can do whatever I want" - freedom to worship whatever also should come with the freedom from having religion play a part in social life.
    Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia No.
    *Against Addictive Drugs Yes.
    Against Alcohol For me, yes, but not for society.
    Against Gambling For me, yes, but not for society... (By gambling I mean games of pure chance.)
    Intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture. No, too broad of a statement.
    Discrimination is the wisdom of choosing between good and evil. No, poor word choice or unfounded statement.
    The Ends Justify the Means. No, since the caps mean this as a statement beyond the words. Typically means carry a cost beyond the end results.


    The only one I would vote for unconditionally is the *. The fidelity and alcohol/gambling ones are not conditions I would place on others, even though I believe in them myself. Religion is a mixed bag - when religion begins influencing hiring etc it is no long "freedom", but an expression of religion - however, I also believe that people should be allowed to believe what they want (and themselves be free from the same form of discrimination). What I find is that the dominant religion tends to show that "religious freedom" means one thing, such as public displays, influence in politics, nudge nudge hiring and so forth, while the minority religions want an equal playground (and keep all religion out of sight, or have equal sharing regardless of population differences). Thus "religions freedom" is very difficult to support or not support. Both versions are conditional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    The Ends Justify the Means.
    That's considered traditional? Odd.

    Some I would engage in myself, and wouldn't disparge, but I won't pressure anyone else into them.

    Patriotism isn't so bad...jingoism drives me nut. Yes, I can think of good things about my country, and it certainly could be worse. But it's also plenty messed up.
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    Please understand that I do not believe that anyone should ever be hated or discriminated against because he disagrees with one of my beliefs--I hate what acts/ideas that I percieve as wrong, but I value and respect all people no matter what they do or believe.

    Values corressponding with mine:

    Abstinence before Marriage
    Fidelity in Marriage
    Against Pornography
    Against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior
    Patriotism
    Religious Freedom
    Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia
    Discrimination is the wisdom of choosing between good and evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OctaviaCaesar View Post
    Please understand that I do not believe that anyone should ever be hated or discriminated against because he disagrees with one of my beliefs--I hate what acts/ideas that I percieve as wrong, but I value and respect all people no matter what they do or believe.

    Values corressponding with mine:

    Abstinence before Marriage
    Fidelity in Marriage
    Against Pornography
    Against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior
    Patriotism
    Religious Freedom
    Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia
    Discrimination is the wisdom of choosing between good and evil.
    It's totally okay. I'm bisexual, often defined as gay in some circles, and I have no problem with people being against homosexual behavior. It's only when people are against homosexuals that I have a problem. Like when people are going around and offering help and treatment to homosexuals, claiming that it isn't their fault that they suffer from a "developmental disorder" and at the same time they are going around telling people that homosexuals molest their children, choose the lifestyle, and have some agenda to destroy America. Fight the behavior, not the people! It's sad because I know some homosexuals who aren't gay in the biological sense and could profit immensely from therapy, but are turned off and put on the defensive by the hateful sentiment against homosexuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Discrimination is the wisdom of choosing between good and evil.
    I have no idea what this statement is supposed to mean. It's so poorly written I haven't got a clue.

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    Abstinence before Marriage: No. And marriage is a religious value. Why does the government give married couples benefits if there is separation from the church and state?

    Fidelity in Marriage: How about fidelity outside of marriage? I cannot stand disloyalty

    Being against Pornography: No. It's just what became of nude art after cameras were invented.

    Being against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior: I really don't care. Whatever floats your boat.

    Patriotism: Well, a lack of patriotism is often the reason crooks get voted into office.

    Religious Freedom: Yes, but since most of the Western World is Christian or celebrates Christian holidays, we say Merry Christmas. Why should we change things for the small percentage of atheists? And saying Happy Holidays is also religious; Holiday is "Holy Day." In a democracy, majority rules.

    Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia: If you were raped, abortion is fine. If your child is a freak (retarded or otherwise deformed), abortion should be mandatory. But if you had sex without a condom, it's your own damn fault. It's not that I like children, I just hate morons.

    Being against Addictive Drugs: If people want to waste away their lives, it's their problem. If a person buys drugs from a dealer, it's their own fault; they had the option to say no, so why should the dealer be responsible (aside from tax evasion)?

    Being against Alcohol: Only if you're driving.

    Being against Gambling: Gambling is very good for the economy. I personally don't do it, but as I have said before, let people waste their money, it's their decision, and it can potentially improve the quality of others' lives.

    Being intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture: If we're talking about becoming a multilingual society in America to make immigrants happy, then yes, I am intolerant of this. In America, we speak English. If you come to America, learn English. I am intolerant of political correctness, as well. It's a tired way of facing more important problems.

    Discrimination as the wisdom of choosing between good and evil: Yes, especially since good and evil are relative points of view from various cultures.

    The Ends justifying the Means: Definitely. It doesn't matter how you do it. Big picture thinking, people.

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    Abstinence before Marriage for myself and as a good choice in general

    Fidelity in Marriage for myself and those who have an understanding of monogamy in their relationship

    Being against Pornography for myself and believe it can be damaging. the production and distribution should be subject to laws of consent, etc

    Being against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior for myself and philosophically against it but have compassion for people with that inclination

    Patriotism really patriotic people scare me

    Religious Freedom this is very important for the kind of society I want to live in

    Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia I'm pro-life, but think legal prohibition is not the most effective way to reduce/handle these issues

    Being against Addictive Drugs for myself and think it's a good choice. I think there has to be a better way than filling our prisons with drug offenders, though.

    Being against Alcohol for myself and a good choice for those with a personal or family history of its abuse

    Being against Gambling for myself and for it's use as the state's poor man's tax

    Being intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture. I think behaviors that directly harm individuals ought to be criminally prosecuted. Harming families and culture? Please! Who has the funding for that and where would it stop?

    Discrimination as the wisdom of choosing between good and evil. that's one possible definition of the word . . .

    The Ends justifying the Means. the vast majority of the time NO, it does not
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    I pretty much mirror ptgatsby's responses, with the exception that I partake of alcoholic beverages every now and then. [And I see marriage as a bit more than a contract, but I understand what he's saying. But I'm also for 100% fidelity in any sort of relationship of mine- marriage or not. And I have 'problems' with pornography, because I don't think it's healthy and I think it's more destructive than anything, but I'm not 'against' it per se. It's not like I'm out on a mission to rid the world of it. Because, that's not gonna happen!].

    Edit: I totally messed up in the voting. I only selected one the first time, and now can't go back and add others. I would also add most definitely: Fidelity in Marriage
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