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  • Abstinence before Marriage

    19 25.68%
  • Fidelity in Marriage

    58 78.38%
  • Being against Pornography

    15 20.27%
  • Being against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior

    9 12.16%
  • Patriotism

    12 16.22%
  • Religious Freedom

    67 90.54%
  • Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia

    19 25.68%
  • Being against Addictive Drugs

    27 36.49%
  • Being against Alcohol

    10 13.51%
  • Being against Gambling

    14 18.92%
  • Being intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture.

    15 20.27%
  • Discrimination as the wisdom of choosing between good and evil.

    9 12.16%
  • The Ends justifying the Means.

    10 13.51%
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  1. #21
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    Kiddo, if you go into the quote and change any unusual characters, it should stop cutting it off. Quotation marks and em-dashes are some of the common ones that make this happen. Sometimes the website you're quoting from uses a different format, or something. This non-techie technical explanation has been brought to you by me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Screw it! Here is the site. But a word of warning. My browser has been acting really funny since I went there.
    Ick! Get it off! Get it off! It burnssssss!!!!!

    I went there. I came back. But the nightmares still come.

    This was funny: They doctored their one image on the site... either that, or she's a troll and he's a midget:



    Here is the part that turned me off:
    A moral code and behavior based upon the Old and New Testaments. We believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that the Lord has given us a rule book to live by: The Bible. We are committed to living, as far as it is possible, by the moral precepts taught by Jesus Christ and by the whole counsel of God as revealed in the Bible.
    It's outside-in righteousness, and also with no real distinction about what it means to live by the "Old Testament" law. (Do they REALLY follow the OT?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Ick! Get it off! Get it off! It burnssssss!!!!!

    I went there. I came back. But the nightmares still come.

    This was funny: They doctored their one image on the site... either that, or she's a troll and he's a midget:



    Here is the part that turned me off:


    It's outside-in righteousness, and also with no real distinction about what it means to live by the "Old Testament" law. (Do they REALLY follow the OT?)
    Are you critiquing my source for traditional values? I'll have you know that the TVC are sponsors of such unbiased and informative sites as this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Edit: DARN IT GATSBY -- stop pre-posting my comments!
    Eh, I hunt day and night looking to anticipate and destroy your posts!

    However, I do someday hope that they get to experience what made Christianity notable - belief in the face of serious adversity. We'll talk about their values on tolerance then.

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    Abstinence before Marriage-its none of my business what other people do behind closed doors. It seems to be a bad idea. By all means, find a partner you care for, wait until you are emotionally mature, but don't think that marriage will ensure that.

    Fidelity in Marriage- Please. unless the couple decides otherwise.


    Against Pornography
    -I see mainstream porn as a negative influence in the world.

    Against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior- I'm trying to figure out what transgender behavior is, exactly. People are people. GLBT people have jobs, hobbies, sex and families like everyone else. Well, minus having kids because of drunken one night stands for the most part.

    Patriotism- people should love their country enough to want to make it a better place to live.


    Religious Freedom
    - wonderful. Now, please, may I be free of it if I so choose?


    Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia
    - I'm pro choice, against the death penalty, and I believe that people should be able to chose when they end their own life. Its the bodily autonomy principle.


    Against Addictive Drugs
    -define addictive and how much harm they cause, and we can talk.

    Against Alcohol, Against Gambling
    - not my thing. Addicts should be prevented from being allowed into casinos etc, but treatment should be available.

    Intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture- I can't think of any behavior that harms people that isn't covered under existing laws. And how can a behavior harm a culture, exactly? Or harm a family when it doesn't harm an individual.


    Discrimination is the wisdom of choosing between good and evil.
    thats vague.

    The Ends Justify the Means. Usually not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Are you critiquing my source for traditional values? I'll have you know that the TVC are sponsors of such unbiased and informative sites as this one.

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    That front page itself was pretty funny. "Did you know homosexual groups first appeared out of Marxist groups?"


    As for the values, some of them were pretty iffy, thanks to many way of interperetation:

    Against Addictive Drugs:: I'm not sure which drugs, and whether "against" refers to drug law type decisions or simply not liking them. I personally would prefer that people be encouraged to use a little of many types of drugs as possible, thanks to a lot of effects on others such as job, safety, and family issues, but I'm not exactly sure how to go about this.

    Intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture: This would be such a wide range of behaviour that it's hard ot give any sort of strong answer to it. I am clearly against murder, mostly do not like overuse and ineffeciency of energy, money, and other resources, and don't care too much about minor day to day disagreements that may break apart marriages.

    The Ends Justify the Means: I do agree with this, but only if all the effects (side effects and costs as well as main effects) of an action are considered as "ends". Doing something that gets millions of people killed but saves a few trees is not justifiable, because the ends add up to something unwanted. I do not consider any methods as automatically bad unless their effects are bad.

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    Reading the dictionary definition of fidelity, why does it have to be exclusive to marriage? Shouldn't it be for any sort of relationship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Reading the dictionary definition of fidelity, why does it have to be exclusive to marriage? Shouldn't it be for any sort of relationship?
    Well if you are following the first value, then fidelity outside of marriage isn't even a concern.

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    Abstinence before Marriage- already messed that one up!

    Fidelity in Marriage- definitley- if you want to fool around with someone else at least have the balls to get a divorce

    Against Pornography- umm.. no... Debbie Does Dallas is actually hillarious!

    Against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior- I don't care really- do whoever makes you happy!

    Patriotism- I'm so tired of that word anymore! *grrrr*

    Religious Freedom- don't tell me what to beleive and I won't tell you!

    Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia- none of my business really- and make the morning after pill more available! (it's horrible enough that I can't see anyone taking it lightly!) I'm anti death penalty though!

    Against Addictive Drugs- if you die it's your fault

    Against Alcohol- ditto (and I sell alcohol! don't ban it! )

    Against Gambling- don't care

    Intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture.- too vague- I'm against people purposefully hurting others if that helps!

    Discrimination is the wisdom of choosing between good and evil.

    The Ends Justify the Means.- ummm... no
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    I already voted but didn't explain.

    Abstinence before Marriage- no, though I think you should be mature about it

    Fidelity in Marriage- yes, and fidelity in relationships too.

    Against Pornography- no

    Against Homosexual/Bisexual/Transgender behavior- I voted no, because I don't see anything wrong with different sexual preference and that seems to be the more important part of the question. And I don't think any behavior should be actually outlawed.

    Patriotism- not blindly, no.

    Religious Freedom- freedom to do anything that doesn't hurt another

    Right to Life: Against Abortion and Euthanasia- no

    Against Addictive Drugs- undecided about legality. I'll look down on you if you're stupid enough to get hooked on crack though, I'm sorry.

    Against Alcohol- no

    Against Gambling- no, stupidity shouldn't be outlawed

    Intolerant to any behavior that may destroy individuals, families, and our culture.- not specific enough to agree

    Discrimination is the wisdom of choosing between good and evil. no, because good and evil are subjective and moralistic

    The Ends Justify the Means.- I voted no because of what this phrase typically means, but for me "the ends" includes all consequences resulting from your "means", so if it's worth it, it's worth it.

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