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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    It's not free, nor is it absolutely required to be secular... however, I do agree that it is compulsory.
    The invention of the printing press in 1440 led to the dream of universal literacy. And universal literacy was achieved by public schooling, which was described across the world as, "Free, compulsory and secular". And I understand these three words were even included in legislation.

    And it raises the interesting question of why is it necessary to compel literacy?

    Even Shakespeare was compelled to learn to read and write, as he describes in his own words -

    "Then the whining schoolboy, with his satchel
    And shining morning face, creeping like snail
    Unwillingly to school".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The invention of the printing press in 1440 led to the dream of universal literacy. And universal literacy was achieved by public schooling, which was described across the world as, "Free, compulsory and secular". And I understand these three words were even included in legislation.
    Oh... is that all? There are lies codified in law?

    Heck, I thought there was news in the offing...

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    Children are going to be forced to do things they don't want to do, no matter what it is. This hasn't changed since forever. Part of growing up is learning this lesson. Maturity is dealing with it gracefully.

    What did change is that in old times there was a more direct relationship between doing and surviving. It was a more practical hand to mouth association. In modern times we spend a lot more time learning indirectly with less tangible results. The child version of the adult in the office processing paperwork. This is practical but does not speak to what we're evolved to recognize as accomplishment.

    Education is a good thing. Knowledge and literacy are keystones of modern society.

    (Aside: The personality test shot was weak and predictable. May as well have tacked on a random remark about pornography or nazis or something.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feops View Post
    Children are going to be forced to do things they don't want to do, no matter what it is.
    Children learn to speak their own language naturally at home. But very few learn to read and write naturally at home.

    To learn to read and write we are compelled to go to a special institution with specially trained teachers.

    So we say, learning to speak is intuitive, while learning to read and write is counter-intuitive.

    This has immense ramifications as most of the pre-modern world was intuitive while most of the modern world is counter-intuitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Why do I find school children boring?
    I think you're going to tell me.

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    I think it's because they hate going to school, but are compelled by law to go every day.
    That's an odd reason to find a large group of people boring.

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    And so they find it is lawful to hate themselves.

    But self hatred is too much to bear, so they bury it deep and remain on the narcissistic surface.

    They are drowning in their own hatred and hang on to infantile narcissism as a drowning man hangs onto driftwood.

    For the last time they were not immersed in self hatred was when they were infants having their narcissistic needs meet unconditionally by their parents.

    So how natural for self hating school children to return to infantile narcissism as a baby sucks its thumb.

    But for those whose narcissistic needs were not met by unconditional love, school is bleak indeed.

    Strange inferences. Very, very strange.


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    But here we have many school children who take self hatred for granted. And whose only reprieve is to poke at themselves with a fake personality test.
    That's funny because it's an oblique criticism of the MBTI.

    I don't think you're very intelligent.

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    To answer your query, made through the reputation mechanic:

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor
    Are you a schoolboy, still emotionally and financially dependent on your parents?
    No, I am not. Surely I haven't struck a nerve?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helios View Post
    To answer your query, made through the reputation mechanic:

    No, I am not. Surely I haven't struck a nerve?
    Well, that's my mistake. When you described yourself under Occupation as Student, I took you at face value.

    But I am pleased to discover you are financially independent and emotionally independent and have left your student days behind.

    So perhaps you might like to update your occupation and your independent address.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    ...So why not give them a chance to hear a principled opposition for once.

    Look, they come on here bored, they are boring, and without me they would remain bored.

    And there is always the chance that some of them may catch fire and leave in ecstasy.
    Victor, are you smoking crack cocaine?

    I don't know that you will receive much fanfare calling new members boring.

    Furthermore, the (high) probablility that any of them would catch fire and leave after reading your posts should not be confused with them experiencing a state of ecstasy.

    You could try weightlifting to let out some of your pent-up hostility. Weight training is known to cause ecstasy, you know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Children learn to speak their own language naturally at home. But very few learn to read and write naturally at home.

    To learn to read and write we are compelled to go to a special institution with specially trained teachers.

    So we say, learning to speak is intuitive, while learning to read and write is counter-intuitive.

    This has immense ramifications as most of the pre-modern world was intuitive while most of the modern world is counter-intuitive.
    So how did you learn to read and write, Victor?

    And why do you spend so much time doing these activities if they're so bad?
    "If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. But do not care to convince him. Men will believe what they see. Let them see."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helios View Post
    it's an oblique criticism of the MBTI.
    Break out the champagne.

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