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    So, basically that's a no and your branch of religion doesn't necessarily include that experience as desirable anyway?

    I've talked to both native and Eastern religion followers who have had personal encounters with spirit guides. In a couple of cases, practioners of Eastern religions felt that they were a source of comfort and guidance at first (some had several and even trained others how to get in touch with theirs), but the spirit guides turned on them later. The one Cree person who told his experiences said that a variety of different spirits had approached him, promising various things if he would follow them or do something to honour them. He ended up selecting one in particular who took on various forms and whom he said did actually give him what was promised. He knew of other medicine men who had their patron spirits which granted them different powers that were normally not within the realm of possibility. I know of others who have had ancestors or animals appear to them in dreams to tell them something or give them advice.

    I have no doubt that they are real. Because of my world view, I believe that they aren't benign, but I know enough normal people who have had encounters that I believe such a thing definitely does exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    So, basically that's a no and your branch of religion doesn't necessarily include that experience as desirable anyway?

    I've talked to both native and Eastern religion followers who have had personal encounters with spirit guides. In a couple of cases, practioners of Eastern religions felt that they were a source of comfort and guidance at first (some had several and even trained others how to get in touch with theirs), but the spirit guides turned on them later. The one Cree person who told his experiences said that a variety of different spirits had approached him, promising various things if he would follow them or do something to honour them. He ended up selecting one in particular who took on various forms and whom he said did actually give him what was promised. He knew of other medicine men who had their patron spirits which granted them different powers that were normally not within the realm of possibility. I know of others who have had ancestors or animals appear to them in dreams to tell them something or give them advice.

    I have no doubt that they are real. Because of my world view, I believe that they aren't benign, but I know enough normal people who have had encounters that I believe such a thing definitely does exist.
    Yes, I have "had experiences" with spirit guides. Many times. Not as elaborate as what other people describe though. For example, and this is the most common one, I will go from normal/typical to internally seeing an image of someone or some animal, recognize the "feel" as probably a spirit guide, and there will be some usually a ~sentence message attached to it. Usually nothing will be said, its more like the expression or transference of a feeling or thought. "Try this" "Stop doing that" "go check out that woman around the corner" "climbing a mntn would be good for you right now" stuff like that. I've never made "deals" with any spirit guide, nor has any such thing ever come up for me. I think shamanism and nature religions deal with that far more. I will also say, I often feel "influences" but they are usually somewhat removed in origin [maybe from a spirit guide, maybe an intuition, maybe a recollection of something, maybe a "quit being distracted and focus!"], and its again usually a simple ~sentence thing. "Go exercise" "quit thinking about topic X so much" "get some fresh air" "you have an appt at 4PM, better start getting ready for that" etc.

    From what I've been taught and what I've read, one's spirit guides are supposed to "only have the best intentions for you". I think thats referring to life-long guides. Other guides don't stay as long. Other "beings" might just happen to be passing by, and are interested in an exchange??? When you talked about people being betrayed by their spirit guides, I'm guessing that's what it was. I've usually heard of beings and exchanges in the context of shamanism, its quite well known there. I don't wish to give undue emphasis to this point, because it can attract people for the wrong reasons, but as yogis we develop "potentials" on our own, we don't need some spirit or whatever whatnot to "give" them to us. We also [can] walk in realms far deeper/subtler than the ones where one can find spirits.

    Eastern guru jaggi vasudev talks in one of his books in response to a student specifically asking about spirit guides and other entities positively influencing one something to the affect of: "Understand this very clearly, for one seeking liberation, and you all are here because you ARE seeking liberation, any such non-corporeal entities are in the same situation [ie cycle of death and rebirth, ie reincarnation] as you are. Their specific place might be a little different from yours, and perhaps in some ways their specific place might seem preferable to yours, but they are in the same situation as you are. How can one in the same situation as you help you to escape that situation??? Whatever else they might be able to do, they can't help you with that. Remember, you are here for liberation. Don't get distracted"

    I would say the following, if I want to understand the depth of Buddhism or the advanced spiritual practices of taoism, or the elucidation of the depth of vedanta, I go and read historical books/scriptures on those subjects. For some examples: the heart sutra, the diamond sutra, the tao te jing, and the ashtakavra gita. I'm sure spirit guides do things too [god that sounds so trivializing, I don't mean it to], and I have had experiences in that department, but there is a world of difference in terms of impact on me between 1) there is a [negative influence] here, try to avoid it, and 2) "form is not other than emptiness, emptiness is not other than form" to quote the uber-famous line from the heart sutra. Both can have their place, but the second relates to liberation from the cycle of death and rebirth, the first does not. I think other people get a lot more advice from their guides. Personally, I'm quite content to stick to "input" from saints, sages, advanced yogis etc, and the works they left behind. Looking at a picture of ramana maharshi, or anandamayi ma, or radha ma for one second has had FAR more impact than all the dealing with spirit guides and the like that I can think of. How can a spirit compare to enlightened saints and sages??? Thats just me though, and to each there own. Different people are looking for different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott N Denver View Post
    Yes, I definitely can see that. Personally, i can't say that I've ever found it "tiresome", but other things maybe. If you can "walk in two places at once" effectively, your probably okay though. Or at least thats been my experience. I usually say "there is much beauty in this world, and much not-beauty. Having heightened/extended awarenesses brings BOTH into greater focus." I wouldn't call that tiresome. Exhilirating and depressing, a lot to take in, deeper, more to pay attention to, more things to watch out for and ignore/avoid, etc...

    In terms of trance, sleep, meditation, "normal life", I think the issue at hand is how well can you "see sideways" or have access to the level(s) on which these other things occur.
    From what the two I know say and the problems they've shared with me, it is potentially tiresome because it makes life complicated, e.g. they're hanging around in the room you're in when you'd rather they didn't, even if they aren't bothering you, or someone else makes a partnership with a “spirit” and instructs it to harass you. The benign ones seem to just mind their own business and not interfere in human affairs, and if they do tell you things, they don't want anything in return.
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    There are a lot of things where I want to say "Yes this must be true because lots of normal people like me saw it."

    But then I ask myself... how normal am I really...and how normal is everyone else... and what is normal....

    Scientists have found the frequency our consciousness operates on. And apparently it's extremely weak. I think it's fairly easy for us to slip into other states of consciousness.. I don't know how.. or what that means exactly in reference to spirit guides. But I guess I'm trying to say that I think some people connect to another realm of consciousness where they see things sometimes and many people see similar things even. But just because it's another state of consciousness doesn't mean anything you see/feel is real outside of your head.

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    - Being asleep and being given direct instruction by a deceased family member

    That has happened to me. But it wasn't any real profound instruction. He told me to wake up and go to work, and I argued with him, and he argued back, and finally I did wake up, and it was indeed past time for me to get up and I was late for work.

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