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    Question Self-help = Less Thinking

    Lately, I've been thinking about how endlessly picking at one's issues and self-concept, trying to "repair" one's self, is actually the source of unhappiness, rather than a solution to it. I've been doing this for years myself, and as I get older and watch more, I see people stuck in the same loops, picking, analyzing, and dissecting themselves in the hopes of overcoming what they perceive as a defect--a gap--in their experience.

    Our culture, at least Western culture, glorifies and encourages this kind of relentless introspection through the media (people like Oprah and Dr. Phil, telling us we have to overcome our issues) and through memes that float around in casual dialogue ("I'm working on myself," "I'm working on my issues"). The self-help section, I believe, is the largest growing section in our bookstores. These promote more introspection and dissection.

    I recently went to the bookstore and bought the dumbest self-help book I could find, knowing that anything complex would just get me thinking more. I know, deep down, that I probably just need a break from all this shit where I can just be me, happy, not worried, eating frozen yogurt, and watching Family Guy.

    Thoughts? Does thinking ultimately promote or inhibit self-improvement? When does it promote? When does it inhibit? What role does self-acceptance and surrender play? GO GO GO!

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    That is what I meant by my post in this thread > http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...uring-out.html

    I don't think thinking inhibits self-improvement, but self-improvement comes from action. If the thinking actually leads to action, great. But the times I've really grown were when I bit the bullet and did something I wasn't used to doing and wasn't comfortable doing. I might have thought about it before, but it meant nothing until I'd actualised that intellection.

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    I think perhaps the one extreme of over-analysis exists because there is also a tendency to be in denial about reality. Modern culture has serious denial issues that range from destroying the planet to fostering tunnel vision on numerous social issues. There might need to be a redistribution of problem analysis.

    When I watch shows about rescuing animals from abusive scenarios, it often strikes me how quickly a dog can bounce back by being completely in the moment with his new, happy home. It has crossed my mind how helpful it would be if we could be more like that as people.
    Step into my metaphysical room of mirrors.
    Fear of reality creates myopic morality
    So I guess it means there is trouble until the robins come
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    I think that there is a point when enough is enough, and too much anything is, well, too much.

    But how can one resolve any problem without identifying it first, and understanding why said problem exists in the first place?

    They simply can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    When I watch shows about rescuing animals from abusive scenarios, it often strikes me how quickly a dog can bounce back by being completely in the moment with his new, happy home. It has crossed my mind how helpful it would be if we could be more like that as people.
    this is a sweet sentiment. my mind, however, is suddenly assaulted with visions of broadway warbles of "memory." i guess i'm more cat-like and indulge in waltzes of moodiness and adaptation and positivity. to the future!

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    Hence, there is in fact a need to identify and acknowledge problems and introspect to a certain degree.

    But when one chooses to *dwell* on exclusively *thinking* about their problems, well, then that's an entire new problem in and of itself.

    There's a time to introspect, analyze, and then there's a time to just let go and be.

    Meaning, being/acting free from exhaustive thought processes/patterns pregnant with, and prompting, neurosis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    I think that there is a point when enough is enough, and too much anything is, well, too much.

    But how can one resolve any problem without identifying it first, and understanding why said problem exists in the first place?

    They simply can't.
    Agreed.

    But yeah I generally agree with the thread title. One needs to hit rock bottom to realize it sometimes though. Less talk more action. Definitely. I think NPs have this stupid ability to BS themselves to a ridiculous degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xNTP View Post
    GO GO GO!
    One way out is to ask where does self improvement come from?

    Why is it taken for granted in the whole country?

    What is the historical reason for the cult of self improvement?

    And it is a cult, for you only have to go to the book store to see shelf after shelf of books on self improvement. And if any one of the books worked, there would be no need for the others.

    Yes, all these books are like competing sects of the same religion.

    But none of these books has been subjected to a double blind test to check their efficacy. This is just like the sect of any religion.

    But you probably live in a country that cut itself off from history at the revolution and so has no alternative but to look to the future.

    And not knowing or understanding your own history, you are trapped forever in your own cult of self improvement.

    But what is worse is that you want to sell the cult of self improvement to the rest of us, along with guns and pornography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And it is a cult, for you only have to go to the book store to see shelf after shelf of books on self improvement. And if any one of the books worked, there would be no need for the others.

    But none of these books has been subjected to a double blind test to check their efficacy. This is just like the sect of any religion.
    The books do work. Their purpose is to inform the person, not fix the person. Most self-help books do state that at the end of the day: It's up to the person to make the step.

    It's sort of like saying why are there so many tutorials on how to program/paint and so fourth. Granted, it's definitely true that it capitalises on the fact that people don't change with just one book. It's just easy market.

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