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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    You obviously need to read up on metaphysics more.
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    Aristotle?

    How do you know? What makes the "unmoved mover" necessary?
    Peguy?

    Even if we ignore contemporary scientific understanding of molecular movement, your "unmoved mover" statement is pretty tenuous. To be completely honest, it's been widely discredited in many philosophical circles.

    That all you had...?

    Bummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post
    Guns are used to SHOOT things, that is their design.
    Guns are designed for one purpose and that is to kill.

    However your country is the greatest arms trader in the world.

    So your country is engaged in killing for profit.

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    What is fascinating is the rise of the atheists Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Dan Dennet.

    But what is most interesting is that in listening to them that they are plainly right.

    The theists have no answer to them except that they got here first and have control of our commanding religious institutions.

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    What is a prime mover? Are my fingers typing these words a prime mover? No, something moved them. Is it my will that's a prime mover? No, for I didn't exist until recently. Is the Big Bang the prime mover, then? Suppose we say it is, but then what came before it? Perhaps God did, but then why he is moving, why are these letters--G, O, D--passing my lips, and why is this image of a bearded old man shimmering and shifting? It's already in motion, this unmoved mover, and surely even if it were to still itself, it would not be the prime mover; it's only an idea in my head, after all. Where, then, can I find it? It's got be somewhere, I know it has, but I can't get a hold of it anywhere--it's not speakable or even imaginable. If I reach for it, I only strengthen my act of reaching, and no amount of reaching is anything but an effort toward something I don't have. So far from proving God is the idea of a prime mover that I would call it the best refutation ever made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    What is fascinating is the rise of the atheists Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens and Dan Dennet.

    But what is most interesting is that in listening to them that they are plainly right.

    The theists have no answer to them except that they got here first and have control of our commanding religious institutions.
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Guns are designed for one purpose and that is to kill.

    However your country is the greatest arms trader in the world.

    So your country is engaged in killing for profit.
    Actually I'm canadian, we use bows and arrows because guns are too expencive =3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post
    Actually I'm canadian, we use bows and arrows because guns are too expencive =3
    And we use the boomerang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And we use the boomerang.
    Boomerangs were originally designed as a weapon and have since fallen into recreational use instead as their primary role.

    We can really only hope the rest follow the trend set by boomerangs and swords.



    ...Then again, I'm not entirely sure I want to consider "recreational nuclear weapons" XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post
    Yeu *CAN'T* do a double blind test with MBTI, which's oddly enough WHY it has never occurred.
    Of course you can do a double blind test on MBTI. And the reason it hasn't been done is that MBTI is not a personality test but a confidence trick.

    But what is most fascinating is that those who have been tricked are least likely to admit it.

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    How exactly is it a confidence trick?

    I can see that, yes, it may increase confidence of some people, but that generally tends to come inherant with any belief that yeu think yeu learned something about how yeu think better. Self discovery tends to do that.

    Now, obviously it's not the best of workings, but it does describe limited aspects of ones' personality, yet again not in great detail or accuracy. For a rough framework to start from though for understanding ones' personality, it's not the worst I've seen, just highly incomplete. If used as a basic stepping stone to learn about more advanced and useful stuff, it's pretty descent, and does give basic generic tools to work with, if nothing too fancy.

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