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    *ponders seeing eyedogs for the blindly faithful*



    reminds me of the placebo effect... how blind faith in certain things can have an actual effect over people, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing... probably a good thing in the case of placebos curing psychosomatic illnesses and such... bad in the case of drinking the koolaid because the religious guy told you to do so

    I fear that I lack the faith mechanism... I'd be the disciple who asked Jesus "so why aren't the nail holes bleeding... are you a zombie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Is faith blind? Justice is anyway, at least the statue has a blindfold.
    she also got her boobs covered by Ashcroft!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post
    The agnostic ducks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post
    Faith can be a powerful tool if properly harnessed, and it can be a great thing to achieve. Blind faith, on the other hand, is a weapon against its' user. Pure belief in anything yeu're told without any comprehension behind it is not something we should really be striving for; that's whot makes flocks of mindless sheep that'll do anything they're told no matter how bad an idea it is, and is the origin of cults, rather than religions.

    The thread was going to be more in depth asking about people's views on the concept of blind faith, whether they felt it was the only 'true' kind of faith, or if they preferred to temper their beliefs with knowledge and wisdom. I suppose the original joke, despite being a bad series of puns, was perhaps a bit too complex or misleading in nature though.

    Anyways discuss stuffs XD
    Not necessarily aimed at you, but why is faith a good thing?

    Why is definitive conclusion without sufficient evidence a positive concept?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    I believe in God. I have my own views. I also understand the point of view of the atheists and agnostics. I have, however, not chosen to follow their path and never will. I suggest you don't put three religions in a joke and suggest that the people in these religions are 'blind'. It makes you look 'blind' yourself.
    That sounds more like a stipulation on how to most productively engage (and yes, I agree with you, it's good to shy away from negative casting when possible), rather than resolving the actual conflict in content.

    I still find the question intriguing, as Night sums it up again: Is faith in lieu of evidence preferable to withholding judgment and why or why not? You and I both think well... yet you seem to adhere more strongly to your belief despite a gap in evidence, whereas for me I felt I had more integrity to intellectually not assert something is true when that gap exists. What makes the difference? What causes the divergence?
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    In terms of the OP, conclusion without evidence is, at best, a premature standpoint. Seems to me that the unfair accrual of social influence and financial power could very easily grow from the framework of such an ideology.

    How does one dissolve this relationship? Is there ever really a way to gain 'honest' insight into which religion (if any there be) is fundamentally correct?

    Or, is it always just a matter of informed perspective - that is to say, the religious identity one is most acquainted with will, by default, be the ideology one believes to be innately the best?

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    There are several types of blind faith. Something can just "feel" right.

    Or you can believe someone because of their credentials, priest, professor, etc.

    What exactly does it take to have blind faith? Or are we just talking believing what we havnt seen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    What exactly does it take to have blind faith? Or are we just talking believing what we havnt seen?
    I've never seen Jesus, but I know quite a few people that believe in him.

    I don't know if this constitutes blind faith, or just a theistic dependency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    I've never seen Jesus, but I know quite a few people that believe in him.

    I don't know if this constitutes blind faith, or just a theistic dependency.
    I think the bible has such a strong tie with reality and history that its not really blind faith. Blind faith would be more like the Hawaiian gods. Is there any proof what so ever that ties anything to a valcano god being real. I am hawaiian which is why I decided to use my heritage as an example.

    I personally think that the bible has enough good scriptures and such that even if you just learn those without even believing in religion you will benefit greatly. To me going against blind faith can cause just as many issues as you have a hard time taking things as partial truths. Its like saying god isnt real I dont believe anything people say about religion and you miss the life lessons that come along with it.


    Yes I just feel like argueing logic today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    Yes I just feel like argueing logic today.


    Me too. Have some downtime between work stuff and genuinely find the topic very compelling.

    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    I think the bible has such a strong tie with reality and history that its not really blind faith. Blind faith would be more like the Hawaiian gods. Is there any proof what so ever that ties anything to a valcano god being real. I am hawaiian which is why I decided to use my heritage as an example.
    Good example. It's tough, though - there are many historical questions with how the Bible does its reportage. Specifically, the Gospel of Mark and its narrative into the life of Jesus - the major themes most associate with Jesus (his incarnation into the faith via John The Baptist, to the notion of his crucifixition and his subsequent promise to return in flesh...).

    Now, and perhaps this is the predominant issue I have with the Bible, how does one reconcile the inherent accuracy in such a recollection? As we lack independent sources to confirm credibility, we have to rely on Mark's accounting of what happened.

    Well, what if Mark's wrong? Or, what if he engaged in hyperbole? What if he mistakenly ommited aspects of what happened? After all, he was like you and me - prone to human error and oversight.

    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    I personally think that the bible has enough good scriptures and such that even if you just learn those without even believing in religion you will benefit greatly. To me going against blind faith can cause just as many issues as you have a hard time taking things as partial truths. Its like saying god isnt real I dont believe anything people say about religion and you miss the life lessons that come along with it.

    Yes I just feel like argueing logic today.
    I agree that this is likely the case. Many positive aspects of human behavior (likewise, if we're being fair, many aspects of negative - even malicious conduct) can be siphoned and applied to contemporary context.

    Yet, we don't necessarily need religion to tell us what we ought to do and what we ought not to do. Civilization can tell us that. So can culture. And why select a monotheistic religion as the centerpiece for our social mores? Judaism has some wonderful tenets; so does Buddhism.

    Each relies on their own version of historical account. It just so happens that our birthright has displayed Christianity, front and center.

    So, you see my predicament.

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