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    When your cup is empty, you get more space to fill it with. When you cup is perpetually empty, you become a conduit of ideas. You are never satisfied with any fact. You simply digest more perception and relation like an insufferable beast.

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    This is a quote from Fluffywolf from the thread (also on this forum) Post-Deity Devinities, dated 2-8-10: "In that sense, I think the divine can and still has much to offer us in the future. I can't say how much of the factual scientific world can still be explained through our perspective, but I do know that new discoveries are made by looking outside of the box. By pushing the limits of logic further and into the philosophic world."

    Something tells me we might be talking past each other, Fluffywolf. I don't want to make it look like I'm exclusively picking a fight with you, especially if there is common ground being masked by a different use of terminology. This always happens with me and one of my friends - we will start having a philosophical discussion and just will not be able to reconcile ourselves... but then we find out at some point that we actually are making the same point, but are arguing about what the words mean. Funny how that happens. Anyway, I want to hear more of what you have to say.
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    Your mind will be more flexible if you don't latch onto everything that comes your way. eg. I am awesome. If you think about it too much, you'll get attached to your awesomeness, and become egotistic. vs: I might just be awesome. There's no attachment because it isn't certain and it never will be.

    In a desperate bid to mold themselves into people, many seem to latch onto things like that. They become certain that they are for example, whatever they believe thier MBTI is*, or worse, they start to discriminate against people as Kat mentioned in the OP.

    As DMCubic has said, you don't have to 'drain your cup of knowledge', you just have to look at it the right way.

    *tangent --- Victor does have a point, a large majority of people 'know that they know' what they've discovered (watch tv for about ten minutes and you'll notice it). Unleashing MBTI upon our population is only likely to damage people. It might be okay for people who are aware of the danger, but that's not usually the case. On a large scale, it would probably have a negative effect. It's any wonder that Psychologists don't use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DMCubic View Post
    This is a quote from Fluffywolf from the thread (also on this forum) Post-Deity Devinities, dated 2-8-10: "In that sense, I think the divine can and still has much to offer us in the future. I can't say how much of the factual scientific world can still be explained through our perspective, but I do know that new discoveries are made by looking outside of the box. By pushing the limits of logic further and into the philosophic world."

    Something tells me we might be talking past each other, Fluffywolf. I don't want to make it look like I'm exclusively picking a fight with you, especially if there is common ground being masked by a different use of terminology. This always happens with me and one of my friends - we will start having a philosophical discussion and just will not be able to reconcile ourselves... but then we find out at some point that we actually are making the same point, but are arguing about what the words mean. Funny how that happens. Anyway, I want to hear more of what you have to say.
    I'm all for progressive behaviour, expansion. But looking at things without existing knowledge is regression. That's the issue I have with the topic. It encourages derailing behaviour. "Knowing that you know nothing. Looking outside the box while ignoring the existing box." and "Looking outside of the box, but knowing the box exists and respecting the box at the same time." are two entirely different ideals. It's that aspect of the topic that I don't agree with.

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    Who the hell is yeu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silently Honest View Post
    Who the hell is yeu?
    Mark Yeu. From Hong Kong.

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    The more time you spend teaching, the less time you have to understand, the more time you spend understanding the less time you have to teach.
    Take what I say with a grain of salt, because that's all it is compared to the ocean of complexity when it comes to actions and real life.

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    Wow internet goes down for one day and everyone flocks while I'm gone XD

    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    Utter hogwash. An insult to science and logic.
    Hardly the case; proper science and logic dictates that yeu must embrace that fact, actually.

    Science, in its' truest form, must realize that it doesn't "know" anything 100% for certain; the best it can manage is to theorize based on the evidence currently presented at that time, and test, with the assumption that all factors are known.

    Truth be told though, there is always the possibility that there are factors outside of whot we actually know which are affecting the outcome and we just don't realize it.

    True logic also realizes that if A sometimes = B, and B sometimes = C, that A may sometimes = C, but not always, and possibly not ever, dependent upon whot factors correlate the three. To assume yeu know anything as absolute 100% fact is silly. We KNEW for an absolute fact that yeu could never go faster than the speed of sound. We also KNEW for an absolute fact that it was impossible to read minds mechanically. We KNEW that immortality was impossible without divine aid. Each of these things has been disproven over time, so whot things do we now know as fact which shall be looked upon as naivety 100 years from now?

    It's estimated that within 50 years we may very well be capable of downloading the contents of the brain directly into a computer as a backup, and to be able to rebuild yeur body from cloned cells, repair damage from stem cells, and so on. Immortality is far from impossible, and when we attain such, just how many things will fall into place when people can spend hundreds of years studying and researching several different fields to see where they go together?

    In the end, we honestly don't know anything for certain, though there are things which are exceedingly likely. I'm *RELATIVELY* certain that the keyboard I'm typing on exists. Sure it may not, it could be all the whole zomg matrix thing going on. I doubt it, but never know. I'm relatively certain I exist. I'm relatively certain gravity exists as well, despite that it's able to be defined as little more than magic by science so far, which's kinda creepy.

    I'm not saying we should be going through life assuming all we 'know' is wrong, or to act as if nothing matters; but rather that we should be accepting of the fact that there's always the potential that we don't have the whole story; that factors outside of our knowledge base may be affecting things in ways we don't comprehend.

    Literally, anything is possible. Obvioiusly, yeu'd need proof for some of the more fantastical things that "could" be real... but there's so many things we don't understand and so many things that we don't even know exist out there. It would be foolish to believe we know anything guaranteed as solid fact. Moreso, we should embrace this understanding and be like, yeu know... I'm 99% certain that 2+2=4 . However... just on the very very very remote off chance... I'm going to try to keep an open mind if someone can give me new evidence to suggest that maybe it isn't really the case after all. I don't find it likely that such will happen any time soon, so it's not like I'm about to suddenly start preaching that math is a lie. Rather, I'm going to accept that whot I "know", I know only by the evidence presented. It may "probably" be right, but it's not guaranteed. The best we can do is try to make sense out of chaos, and sometimes our understanding may turn out to be wrong.

    True science understands that with new evidence, comes new theories, and that whot was previously accepted as fact is instead fluid rather than solid, and can shift constantly as we learn more about our surroundings. As soon as we reject the notion that we could be wrong, and refute even bothering to look at new evidence, or to even try to FIND new evidence in the first place, then we no longer are in possession of science anymore - we are in possession of religion; the belief that we know whot is real without proof to support it. It becomes faith, not fact.

    The theory of relativity is just a theory. The theory of gravity is in fact just a theory. So on and so forth. They may be highly publicized, and have little in the way of refuting evidence at the moment, but they're only theories. As soon as yeu make 'theory' interchangeable with 'fact', yeu have lost the point of any of this =3

    So yeah, I don't mean to claim that we should just drop all we know, but rather, just to accept that there's always the chance we could be wrong, and be open to alternative interpretations, and to not blindly believe that yeu know it all.

    The only proof we have of anything is our own brains, and we know how notoriously unreliable those are =3

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    Without looking at OP...thread starter is.....um....um.....

    KATSUNI!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Without looking at OP...thread starter is.....um....um.....

    KATSUNI!

    GASP! HAX! BRAIN HAX! Psychic at work here, obviously.

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