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    This has to be the best thread title misspelling ever. I'm totally not changing it, ever.

    As for what I think the OP is asking about- does it have to be one or the other? Couldn't it be both? I think it's both.

    We have had our daughter in Aikido classes since she was 6 (she's 10 now). It's a "peaceful" form of martial arts, in that there are no offensive moves, only defensive, and it's about harnessing/negating your opponent's energy that is being used against you. She has also attended a Won Buddhism summer camp and they had daily Taekwondo training. For us, it's less of a cultural thing and more of a way to help her feel at home and capable in her skin. Not so she can beat people up. One prong of a many-pronged parenting approach aimed at raising confident, but peaceful adults.
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    The founder of Akido I know was a pacifist.

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    True. He created that art because, at least according to some story, he felt bad for nearly killing a thief with one hit. He developed Aikido as a way to.. basically.. turn a fight into no fight at all. But there is strength in it, nonetheless.

    Victor is being unfair to what martial artists are about. Or "bodybuilders" for that matter. Not everyone is trying to be Cobra Kai or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rez View Post
    True. He created that art because, at least according to some story, he felt bad for nearly killing a thief with one hit. He developed Aikido as a way to.. basically.. turn a fight into no fight at all. But there is strength in it, nonetheless.
    From what I've heard, it also came about from his experiences in the Japanese army, and how he became appalled at the brutalities he saw.


    Victor is being unfair to what martial artists are about. Or "bodybuilders" for that matter.
    Victor is being Victor - what more needs to be said?

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    I thought this was about the art of marriage. Anyways, I used to take Taekwondo lessons and that I learnt was originally from Korea. Not much of a contribution but... 'meh'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rez View Post
    Ueshiba probably was about 98lbs actually. But he'd still toss you around way.

    I would compare martial arts to universal literacy or the electronic media.

    Martial arts seem to me to be pre-modern, while universal literacy and electronic media find their home in modernity.

    Martial arts seem to me to be a throwback, a hankering for an idealised past, a nostalgia for the medieval.

    But what is most striking about the martial arts is that they exclude the sexual.

    And of course this is their modern appeal.

    When the pill and sexual revolution freaked out the authoritarians, it seemed they had nowhere to go. But fortuitously martial arts offered them sanctuary.

    And while it is true that 98lb weaklings find their home in the martial arts, the modern authoritarians have found their true métier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Victor is being Victor - what more needs to be said?
    I'm new here. Duly noted.

    Victor, I have no idea what you're talking about with "excluding the sexual". Not sure about your stream of thought and such.. Explain more if you like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rez View Post
    I'm new here. Duly noted.

    Victor, I have no idea what you're talking about with "excluding the sexual". Not sure about your stream of thought and such.. Explain more if you like.
    Victor likes to tie in every discussion here to one about sexual abuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rez View Post
    Victor is being unfair to what martial artists are about.
    You want me to be fair?

    We all live in the same electronic envelope. I stretch it one way because I can be sure of an equal and opposite reaction.

    I am simply applying the principles of martial arts to the electronic media.

    I stretch it one way, and you stretch it the other. And we oscillate around the centre.

    This is called movement, just as martial arts is all about movement.

    But here we can move naturally whereas martial arts is a form of taught movements.

    And it is these taught movements that appeal to the authoritarian personality.

    Whereas free flowing conversation is more like a dance that appeals to the creative personality.

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    Hmm, electronic envelopes. Ok.

    Well, thanks for that though. Makes no sense, but thanks. I think I'm gonna log off and take a piss now (a real one.. not an electronic one.. although I'm sure it'll be sort of "free flowing"..).

    Meh.

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