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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    It's an argument...I made claims and backed them up with examples. Seems fine to me but whatever. It's really up to you if you want to reply or not.

    My overall "statement of fact" can be simplified for you: Marxists aren't the ones beign "surprised" by the way things are going, we are the only ones who understand why both Keynesianism and freemarket cycles, end in generalized, system-wide crisis.
    Oh, now I get it. You're responding to when I said this:

    "The one advocating the contemporary relevance of Marxism is surprised by how things played/are playing out, the one doing the opposite is not."

    That was because the guy said he was surprised the proletariat hasn't revolted against the ruling class yet in the US or whatever. It wasn't addressed to all Marxists, or I wouldn't have said "The one..." after quoting him. He was surprised that the ruling class hasn't been overthrown, I wasn't. That's all.

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    If you dont agree with Marx's conclusions about class struggle, ie that it exists in the first place, that its the history of the world to date or that it could eventually end, what do you think of his "theory of man" or characterology?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    Oh, now I get it. You're responding to when I said this:

    "The one advocating the contemporary relevance of Marxism is surprised by how things played/are playing out, the one doing the opposite is not."

    That was because the guy said he was surprised the proletariat hasn't revolted against the ruling class yet in the US or whatever. It wasn't addressed to all Marxists, or I wouldn't have said "The one..." after quoting him. He was surprised that the ruling class hasn't been overthrown, I wasn't. That's all.
    Fair enough.
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    Getting back to Freud... I think perhaps Freudian defense mechanisms have been one of his more useful and long-lasting contributions. They've been expanded on by people like Vaillant, and make an appearance in the DSM-IV.

    Branches of his psychodynamic theory are still in use (including Jungian psychodynamics).

    Otherwise, I don't think Freud has a lot of currency. Certainly most of his psychosexual theory hasn't stood the test of time. (Despite being a good source of jokes about things like "penis envy" and Oedipal complexes.) And let's not forget about phrases like "anal retentive" that are still used, even though the underlying theory is no longer taken seriously.

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