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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    In the absence of concrete proof of a particular religion's correctness it will always come down to because someone says so.
    Nevertheless a just goverment cannot be built much less maintained unless it's operating under a certain conception of the truth. Without the truth, there can be no such thing as justice. So while the state cannot determine what truth is exactly, it can't be indifferent to it either.

    Not everyone is confident that the opinion of people who said so many generations ago continue to be 100% relevant and applicable to the world as it is today.
    While the claims of the past do and should be be critically examined in light of contemporary issues, that not does that entail that they should just be dismissed outright - and certainly not simply because it was said generations ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Should I keep looking for the Philosopher's Stone?
    Knock yourself out. If anything it'll finally give you something to preoccupy your time with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    How so? The state derives its authority from God, who is the author of the order of being. Henry de Bracton even explained that English common law was based upon the concept of the king ruling the realm on the behalf of Christ. Centuries later, Richard Hooker(in citing St. Thomas Aquinas) noted that divine law and human law could not be seperated but were rather twins. And a vibrant sense of religiousity is key to the long-term longevity of any polity.

    Without reference to a higher authority(God, providence, etc), the state rules basically by mere arbitrary might and thus anything it does is pretty much alright. Under such a system, you cannot have the concept of "Civil Rights"; for as Martin Luther King Jr. pointed out clearly that they can only exist once you acknowledge that "any law that violates the laws of God is an unjust law." Like Hooker, this is also based upon St. Thomas Aquinas.
    The State derives its authority from god?!?!?!?!

    Not where I'm from. The state derives its authority from the people of the state who all agree to things like laws and regulations. In the UK things have moved on a bit.

    Its a different argument but if the state get its authority from god where does god get his?
    And that quote you mentioned. That doesn't really work if you live in a country with many poeple who don't think there is an actual god.
    Sorry to go off topic but this discussion is fascinating.
    "I'd never die for my beliefs, I might be wrong"

    "Is it not enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe there are fairys at the bottom of it too"

    "Intelligence is being able to hold too opposing views in the mind at the one time without going crazy" - Now all I need to figure out is if I'm intelligent or crazy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah, yeah, yeah.

    If we balance any of this against the accumulated collective crimes of rationalism and the enlightenments bastards it seriously pales by comparison.

    Now you're getting your kicks from bashing Catholicism and I get that, its not a taboo like Jew baiting or even islamophobia but dont pretend your heart bleeds for the victims of abuse or unordained women.

    It smacks of insincerity because you KNOW that all these instances are not intrinsic to Catholicism, otherwise they would still be happening, they wouldnt be a source of scandal, shame or reproach, they are all the crimes of individuals who've abuse their office and, frequently, the public (not just RCs) who let them.

    List some of these crimes! come on show us!
    Even if rationalists have commited as many crimes atleast they did them for a logical reason which in my opinion is far more justifiable than for an unproven belief.
    "I'd never die for my beliefs, I might be wrong"

    "Is it not enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe there are fairys at the bottom of it too"

    "Intelligence is being able to hold too opposing views in the mind at the one time without going crazy" - Now all I need to figure out is if I'm intelligent or crazy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Nevertheless a just goverment cannot be built much less maintained unless it's operating under a certain conception of the truth. Without the truth, there can be no such thing as justice. So while the state cannot determine what truth is exactly, it can't be indifferent to it either.


    While the claims of the past do and should be be critically examined in light of contemporary issues, that not does that entail that they should just be dismissed outright - and certainly not simply because it was said generations ago.
    But many people do not consider the exsistance of a god truth. Or if they do his ultimate authority "truth".
    Many of us like to justify for example the murder laws on the truth that if they weren't in place ourselves and lots of people we like would die which we wouldn't like.
    "I'd never die for my beliefs, I might be wrong"

    "Is it not enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe there are fairys at the bottom of it too"

    "Intelligence is being able to hold too opposing views in the mind at the one time without going crazy" - Now all I need to figure out is if I'm intelligent or crazy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelric View Post
    How does expanding the population of people who are "eligible" for employment create a "blatantly undue burden" for enterprises that "need the services of salaried workers?" I don't think for an instant that you'd propose that refusing to consider people of various ethnic groups for employment to be an expression of religious liberty -- why would gender not receive the same respect?
    Its an "undue burden" on the free exercise of their religious beliefs and freedom of association in the course of non-profit endeavors that are unsupported by the government. And as a matter of fact, I WOULD consider the refusal to hire people of various ethnic groups as part of a non-profit organization to be an expression of religious liberty, if some twisted religious organization claimed that such was the case-I would also boycott and denounce any organization (non-profit or otherwise) that had dealings with them.

    Refusing to hire someone for some discriminatory reason is not a violation of any fundamental rights nor is it a violation of equality under the law (unless the potential employer is the government). In practice, discrimination within the realm of business has sufficiently detrimental effects on de-facto political and civil equality to justify related infringements on free religion and association in an effort to maximize aggregate protection of individual rights-that's why its a necessary evil. Discrimination within the non-profit sector does not have sufficient impact on political and civil equality to justify such an infringement, so laws to that effect are simply for the illiberal purpose of violating the fundamental rights of people the government doesn't like in pursuit of policy goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubbles View Post
    ^ Exactly why solo scriptura is a no-go in my book.
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    2Ti 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


    1Cr 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.


    1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
    1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
    1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
    1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
    Everyone is a case study.

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