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    Default The Process of Belief

    I would like to begin by stating that I do not care to debate the existence of God; for when considering the implications of human thought, Faith, and Reasoning, such a debate is as fruitless as a wooden sword fight between toddlers, and about as unappealing as watching a train wreck in slow motion. Rather, the substance of my thesis is founded upon the notion that building an integral world-view is like forging a key to Life with the intention of unlocking every decision that presents itself. Otherwise, one may find himself wallowing in a pool of apathetic diffusion, attempting to pave a consistent path through life only to hang upon the fabric of incongruous beliefs. The nature of such a sickness exhibits symptoms of agreeableness and indifference in such a person, who may also be considered the "Rational". These poor individuals find themselves agonizing at the consideration of every decision; for the outcome always hinges upon every scrap of evidence known and unknown from the expanse of the universe whittled down to the singular quark. The sustenance of such an objective preponderance requires God-like capacities; thus these people aspire to be like God Himself. Ironically, they are also plagued by the fear of insufficient information - lack of Faith. On the other hand, there are the "Faithful" - those who adhere to a given set of integral principles and pierce every decision like a pike through a tuna fish. Occasionally, there are moments when those principles must be questioned when an unprecedented situation arises in order to reconcile a refined world-view.

    I, for one, find the very heart of my Faith in a single scripture: "And one of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?" Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is one Lord; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.' "The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these." (NAS, Mark 12:28-31)" -- Without God, there is no Love; for the very foundation of Love is rooted in the distinction between man and all other things. God made us in His image, and no other tangible thing is equal in his sight. If the contrary is true, then our fellow men are just as valuable as a misplaced garden hose or the Holiday Dinner. In the eyes of the absolutely rational man, all things matter are equally contemptible and lovable; which paradoxically defines and defies the premises of Humanism. This mentality of regarding all things with distributed divinity gives birth to materialism and pantheistic paganism - not Love.

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    Belief is induced by a trance.

    And belief is almost always induced during the trance of childhood.

    And a trance can be induced by simply suspending our critical faculties.

    Of course children have yet to develop their critical faculties so they are perfect targets for the trance of belief.

    However as we grow older our critical faculties can be suspended and a trance induced by any repetition. And of course an excellent example of this is religious ritual, which is highly repetitious.

    And once a trance has been induced the suggestions of belief can be made without any fear of contradiction by the critical faculties.

    And just as sexual abuse by the clergy is now considered to be wrong, in the future, the induction of a trance without prior permission will be considered to be wrong.

    And in particular, the right thing to do will be to get permission before inducing a trance. And also it will be the right thing to get explicit permission to give any particular suggestion.

    Today we don't have sex without consent. And in the future we won't be able to induce a trance of belief without prior consent.

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    You spun that waskly web well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Belief is induced by a trance.

    And belief is almost always induced during the trance of childhood.

    And a trance can be induced by simply suspending our critical faculties.

    Of course children have yet to develop their critical faculties so they are perfect targets for the trance of belief.

    However as we grow older our critical faculties can be suspended and a trance induced by any repetition. And of course an excellent example of this is religious ritual, which is highly repetitious.

    And once a trance has been induced the suggestions of belief can be made without any fear of contradiction by the critical faculties.

    And just as sexual abuse by the clergy is now considered to be wrong, in the future, the induction of a trance without prior permission will be considered to be wrong.

    And in particular, the right thing to do will be to get permission before inducing a trance. And also it will be the right thing to get explicit permission to give any particular suggestion.

    Today we don't have sex without consent. And in the future we won't be able to induce a trance of belief without prior consent.
    You're kidding right?

    So the belief in conservative or socialist government is induced by trance?

    Or are we just talking about belief in religion rather than ideology or methodology? Or are there trances involved here too, how do we know we aren all in a trance now?

    I've to be honest that I'm surprised the extent to which people post their private prejudices on here as fact, no amount of supportive argument changes that essential quality and its generally pretty clear that's what's happening with the application of just a little reframing and perspective its obvious too.

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    This mentality of regarding all things with distributed divinity gives birth to materialism and pantheistic paganism - not Love.
    Excellent!

    That reminds me of some commentry I read from RC authors that the reformation prepared the way for athiesm by both attacking existing dogmas and trying to be even more dogmatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    This mentality of regarding all things with distributed divinity gives birth to materialism and pantheistic paganism - not Love.
    It also leads to the belief that humans are superior to everything else, leaving us to do as we will to the things around us without regard for their well being. It helps us love humans, and nothing else. But hey, at least we'll all be raptured before we can destroy everything.
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

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    than to serve and obey them. - David Hume

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    It also leads to the belief that humans are superior to everything else, leaving us to do as we will to the things around us without regard for their well being. It helps us love humans, and nothing else. But hey, at least we'll all be raptured before we can destroy everything.
    Not necessarily. For the finite human to exist, finite means must be present. Therefore, there must be some regard for the finite world. So, in a minimalistic sense, attention to the infinite reduces finite consumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Belief is induced by a trance.

    And belief is almost always induced during the trance of childhood.

    And a trance can be induced by simply suspending our critical faculties.

    Of course children have yet to develop their critical faculties so they are perfect targets for the trance of belief.

    However as we grow older our critical faculties can be suspended and a trance induced by any repetition. And of course an excellent example of this is religious ritual, which is highly repetitious.

    And once a trance has been induced the suggestions of belief can be made without any fear of contradiction by the critical faculties.

    And just as sexual abuse by the clergy is now considered to be wrong, in the future, the induction of a trance without prior permission will be considered to be wrong.

    And in particular, the right thing to do will be to get permission before inducing a trance. And also it will be the right thing to get explicit permission to give any particular suggestion.

    Today we don't have sex without consent. And in the future we won't be able to induce a trance of belief without prior consent.
    Belief is not always obtained through trance. The induction of a trance detracts from one's Free Will. Free Will is the threshold of the path taken; and information guides us in our decisions. Belief is the sifting of information with Faith that it is true.

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    as i stated on the other thread. we are not responsible for what we believe. should i be held at fault if i were unable to believe the moon was made of cheese?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert165 View Post
    as i stated on the other thread. we are not responsible for what we believe. should i be held at fault if i were unable to believe the moon was made of cheese?
    No, because evidence indicates that the contrary is true.

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