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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert165 View Post
    ok, none of that makes treating the bible as truth in a selctive manner any more acceptable
    Unsure what point you're trying to make here, you asked if the bible was the sole authority of Christian theology.

    No its not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Hell is the afterlife equivalent of misanthropy or an anti-social personality disorder, it is not the work of a punitive, capricious or vengeful God, although it is depicted that way, either as a consequence of anthropomorphism or hostility.

    No, the inmates of hell hold the keys and the locks are on their side of the doors, they dont want to be with God, they have rejected God, as a consequence of pride, hate, any number of other evil motives.

    As a result its not a terrible concept, its not the gulag.
    so if they have the keys they can leave any time they want, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Unsure what point you're trying to make here, you asked if the bible was the sole authority of Christian theology.

    No its not.
    the bible is either:

    1- written in total by god, and should be followed 100%
    2- written by man and has no more relevance than any other book
    3- written partly by man and partly by god and should be viewed
    very supiciously, since you can't tell which part is which
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert165 View Post
    ok, none of that makes treating the bible as truth in a selctive manner any more acceptable
    I'm not treating the Bible in a selective manner. I am treating it as though it's not necessarily the case that every word and piece of advice given is meant to be taken either as a direct command from God or a tenet to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    That doesn't bother me. In most people's minds, Hell is reserved for the worst; murderers, rapists, and such. The "If you don't accept Jesus you go to Hell" thing actually conflicts with a lot of Christian's interpretations about Hell.
    Hell is reserved for those who reject God and carry on doing so, its not the ultimate reprimand and punishment.

    Personally when it comes to reprehensible sorts like rapists I recall that the bible and tradition indicate that God is just and that not only will be see justice done but it will be seen to be done too, any and all victims will receive satisfaction.

    As an RC I understand this to involve purgatory and its purgative and purifying process, personally I think it can start in life, people can be afflicted in this life or experience it all in the afterlife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert165 View Post
    so if they have the keys they can leave any time they want, right?
    Yeah but they wont, this is he point. They have rejected God, its a pretty final deal. You dont do so and then in the fullness of eternity decide it was a bad idea after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    I'm not treating the Bible in a selective manner. I am treating it as though it's not necessarily the case that every word and piece of advice given is meant to be taken either as a direct command from God or a tenet to believe.
    what? what you mean to say is:

    I, Scott, have a pre-formed set of beliefs, and I'm going to go shopping until I find the particular branch christianity that meets my pre set beliefs. Because, that, it seems, is the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert165 View Post
    the bible is either:

    1- written in total by god, and should be followed 100%
    2- written by man and has no more relevance than any other book
    3- written partly by man and partly by god and should be viewed
    very supiciously, since you can't tell which part is which
    The bible was written by men who were channelling God or those who were recording the lives of those who were, prophets or the ministry of Jesus or acts of the apostles for instance. As such it has authority but it requires interpretation like anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah but they wont, this is he point. They have rejected God, its a pretty final deal. You dont do so and then in the fullness of eternity decide it was a bad idea after all.
    ok, so now all you have to do is show me how etrnal suffering is just punishment for rejecting god. i for one think that non existence, or being sent to a 4 star heaven, with the christian heaven being a 5 star heaven, these are much more moral, compassionate, proper punishments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    The bible was written by men who were channelling God or those who were recording the lives of those who were, prophets or the ministry of Jesus or acts of the apostles for instance. As such it has authority but it requires interpretation like anything else.
    really? people don't have much time figuring out what plato, aristotle or marcus aurelius meant. perhaps there are fundamental problems with the way the bible was written......
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