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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert165 View Post
    but the bible implores slaves to obey their masters. so any good christian that is against slavery is on the worng side of the issue.
    I believe in those passages about slavery, it was God talking to the ancient Israelites. So I'm not sure it would apply now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I believe in those passages about slavery, it was God talking to the ancient Israelites. So I'm not sure it would apply now...
    actualy its paul who says that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Are you even fucking serious here?
    pointing out what the bible says is not "serious"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ayoitsStepho View Post
    Why does it even matter?
    Why do people care so much about what Christians believe or not?
    Because they vote.

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    If Christians are wrong, well then they really have nothing to lose in believing and trusting in God. But what if they're right? Then its really non-believers who have more to lose than a Christian if they're wrong.
    People may think Christians are ignorant or stupid, but what if they're right? What if everything in the Bible is completely true?
    That's true, eternally, non-believers have much more to lose. But on this earth, maybe if Christians end up being wrong, some of them maybe would have liked to live their life differently; knowing that this is their only one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert165 View Post
    pointing out what the bible says is not "serious"
    Pointing it out in very cheap ways isn't. Particularly when you're arguing with a Catholic and talking about the Bible like an evangelical Protestant.

    As for the slavery bit, Paul speaks from the world he is in, clearly speaks progressively and sees slaves as just as human as anyone else. Paul's advice to slaves pretty well parallel's Jesus' "turn the other cheek", neither of which condones the other side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Because they vote.
    Yep, I agree. And for much more than voting, not that I think ajblaise meant that to be all-encompassing anyway. If we're wrong, it matters.

    (well, depending on how meaning is construed of course... but point is there's no reason to think it shouldn't matter)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Pointing it out in very cheap ways isn't. Particularly when you're arguing with a Catholic and talking about the Bible like an evangelical Protestant.

    As for the slavery bit, Paul speaks from the world he is in, clearly speaks progressively and sees slaves as just as human as anyone else. Paul's advice to slaves pretty well parallel's Jesus' "turn the other cheek", neither of which condones the other side.
    so whats the non-cheap way to point out that the bible tells slaves to obey their masters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert165 View Post
    so whats the non-cheap way to point out that the bible tells slaves to obey their masters?
    Well, you could start by showing some openness to understanding. Asking a question like, "So what do you do with the passage where Paul tells slaves to obey their masters?" could be a good choice. This allows for a potential nuanced response, doesn't use an accusatory tone or create an air of me-vs-you, and doesn't make assumptions about things like the place the Bible takes in one's reckoning of authority or whether there might be an intelligent perspective that you're not aware of which does good business with the passage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Well, you could start by showing some openness to understanding. Asking a question like, "So what do you do with the passage where Paul tells slaves to obey their masters?" could be a good choice. This allows for a potential nuanced response, doesn't use an accusatory tone or create an air of me-vs-you, and doesn't make assumptions about things like the place the Bible takes in one's reckoning of authority or whether there might be an intelligent perspective that you're not aware of which does good business with the passage.
    ah but it's ALREADY a me vs you delima, dont you see? you christains have the truth and the rest of us are going to hell. that you dont see this as a me vs you delima, is in fact, the majority of the problem.
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    Or maybe it's indicative of the fact that my theology isn't point-for-point what you think Christian theology is supposed to be. Not to mention the theology of most Christians.
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