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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    At best your view would apply only to post-WWII era and the rise of the Baby Boomer generation.
    Why wouldn't it apply pre-WWII exactly? Take civil war era Christians and compare them to WWI era Christians, and the latter will be more liberal in their views, like on slavery. Not necessarily political liberalism, but in the more general sense about attitudes and beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Why wouldn't it apply pre-WWII exactly? Take civil war era Christians and compare them to WWI era Christians, and the later will be more liberal in their views, like on slavery. Not necessarily political liberalism, but in the more general sense about attitudes and beliefs.
    On that score I guess the Medieval Christian was far more "liberal" than the Civil War era Christian:
    "But fighting slavery is nothing new for Christians. After all, Christianity was born into a world where chattel slavery, one person owning another, was the cornerstone of the economy.

    Ironically, many famous historians, including those most critical of Christianity, were indifferent about the role that slavery played in antiquity. Edward Gibbon called the "cruel treatment" of slaves "almost justified by the great law of self-preservation."

    Western Christianity saw matters differently. Its spread through western Europe was accompanied by calls for an end to chattel slavery. Saint Bathilde, the wife of the seventh-century Frankish king Clovis, was canonized, in part, for her efforts to free slaves and end the slave trade.

    The result of hers and similar efforts was that, by the eleventh century, slavery had been effectively abolished in western Europe.
    The lone exceptions were areas under pagan or Muslim control. By the time Thomas Aquinas wrote the Summa Theologica in the thirteenth century, slavery was a thing of the distant past. That's why Aquinas paid little attention to the subject, devoting himself instead to the issue of serfdom, which he considered "repugnant.""

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    but the bible implores slaves to obey their masters. so any good christian that is against slavery is on the worng side of the issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert165 View Post
    but the bible implores slaves to obey their masters. so any good christian that is against slavery is on the worng side of the issue.
    The Bible also states that masters need to treat their slaves respectfully and with care, since they are created in God's image as anyother man. And as the historical record shows, Christians have fought against slavery or at the very least its abuses. Nice try with the sound bytes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    The Bible also states that masters need to treat their slaves respectfully and with care, since they are created in God's image as anyother man. And as the historical record shows, Christians have fought against slavery or at the very least its abuses. Nice try with the sound bytes.
    its not a sound byte
    its what the bible says
    chrisitans should try to make slavery as bening as possible
    not, crusade against it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert165 View Post
    its not a sound byte
    its what the bible says
    Fuh fuh fuh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    The Bible also states that masters need to treat their slaves respectfully and with care, since they are created in God's image as anyother man. And as the historical record shows, Christians have fought against slavery or at the very least its abuses. Nice try with the sound bytes.
    It's true that both pro-slavery advocates and slavery abolitionists have used the Bible to support their view. But in the overall curve from early Christianity until now, we see slavery as an institution being rarely criticized at first, and then universally forbid. So it's become more liberal over time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    The Bible also states that masters need to treat their slaves respectfully and with care, since they are created in God's image as anyother man.
    ... like that makes it excusable at all. Old Testament morals are completely backwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Fuh fuh fuh
    so, according to you, whats stated in the bible is "fuh fuh fuh"
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    It's true that both pro-slavery advocates and slavery abolitionists have used the Bible to support their view. But in the overall curve from early Christianity until now, we see slavery as an institution being rarely criticized at first, and then universally forbid. So it's become more liberal over time.
    If that's your serious argument, then you have a shitload of questions to answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert165 View Post
    so, according to you, whats stated in the bible is "fuh fuh fuh"
    Are you even fucking serious here?

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    Why does it even matter?
    Why do people care so much about what Christians believe or not?
    If Christians are wrong, well then they really have nothing to lose in believing and trusting in God. But what if they're right? Then its really non-believers who have more to lose than a Christian if they're wrong.
    People may think Christians are ignorant or stupid, but what if they're right? What if everything in the Bible is completely true?
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