INTP and hating religion.

[Owl]

you could say it. you couldn't believe it. wait. maybe you could. i know i wouldnt be able to.

you're a tricky little one, aren't you.

Not tricks: intellectual jiu-jitsu.

The apocryphal saints? Oh, I'm sorry, the CANONIZED bible, as in the version approved of human powermongers of the church, ex-cathdra Petri, and what not?

Hello Halla. Good to see you in the thread. I must admit this post perplexes me. Care to expand?

Why would a just and loving God try to enlighten His people when not knowing about this enlightenment would not cause us ill but knowing about its existence would so condemn so many?

I'm not even sure the scenario you describe here is possible. Anyway, I certainly don't think it applies to the actual God.

 

[Ginkgo]

1- i will answer, for the third time now, about contradiction. sending someone to hell --- forever --- for rejecting god is not a loving thing to do. and your christian god is defined as a loving god.

You choose your punishment. Therefore, by your logic, if you send yourself to Hell, then you do not love yourself.

2- and no this is not fair. you saying it's fair doesnt make it so. however, the fact that an infinte punishment is being applied for a finite crime. there is no way that can be defined as fair. the very idea of "fair" dictates that the punishment must fit the crime.

If you know the crime and the consequences for committing the crime, then it is perfectly fair. Your idea of "fairness" is derived from a worldly perspective - a finite perspective. However, you have an infinite soul that is bound by infinite consequences.

 

[Sniffles]

no, becasue it does not match the description of a loving act. it causes harm. please tell me how casuing harm is a loving act.

Ever heard of tough love?

god doesnt get to set his wn rules. oh wait! he does. but that doesnt mean he gets to use different defintions for words than we do.

Since he's the foundation of all being(and that includes languages). Well why don't figure it out.

four sides and four right angles will alwyas make a rectanlge

Rectangles have nothing to do with this issue.

don't need any. all i need is the dictionary:

:rolli:

 

[Robert165]

You choose your punishment. Therefore, by your logic, if you send yourself to Hell, then you do not love yourself.



If you know the crime and the consequences for committing the crime, then it is perfectly fair. Your idea of "fairness" is derived from a worldly perspective - a finite perspective. However, you have an infinite soul that is bound by infinite consequences.

no, because i can --- say --- jesus christ is my lord and savior, etc, but i can't --- believe --- it unless i actually believe it. christianlty is in the buisness of punishng people not for what they say, not for what they do, but for what they believe.

 

[Robert165]

Ever heard of tough love?

sure. tough love gives one the opportunity to learn from one's mistakes though.

 

[Ginkgo]

no, because i can --- say --- jesus christ is my lord and savior, etc, but i can't --- believe --- it unless i actually believe it. christianlty is in the buisness of punishng people not for what they say, not for what they do, but for what they believe.

Belief stems from some amount of knowledge. Perhaps you lack it.

 

[Robert165]

Since he's the foundation of all being(and that includes languages). Well why don't figure it out.

so nothing god can do could be in any way wrong? wow. if it's wrong to steal, and god steals, he's wrong.

 

[Robert165]

Belief stems from some amount of knowledge. Perhaps you lack it.

perhaps. so now you're down to judging people because they don't have the righ ttype of knowledge. forget about what they say or do, who they are or how they act. it's what they know or don't know. how's that a moral judgement for anything????

 

[Scott]

Hey guys, I don't want to overstep my bounds or anything, but I question how much good's being accomplished at the moment. How would you all feel about putting a damper on the conversation for a bit and leaving it for later?

 

[Robert165]

Hey guys, I don't want to overstep my bounds or anything, but I question how much good's being accomplished at the moment. How would you all feel about putting a damper on the conversation for a bit and leaving it for later?

you're not overstepping you bounds but the only reason why we are not making any progress is people have resorted to the "my god is god and therefor can do no wrong" defense.

 

[Ginkgo]

perhaps. so now you're down to judging people because they don't have the righ ttype of knowledge. forget about what they say or do, who they are or how they act. it's what they know or don't know. how's that a moral judgement for anything????

If you don't know the laws of the land, how might you abide by them?

 

[Robert165]

If you don't know the laws of the land, how might you abide by them?

really? the point is we do know the laws of the land in this case. and the laws are bad.

 

[Scott]

you're not overstepping you bounds but the only reason why we are not making any progress is people have resorted to the "my god is god and therefor can do no wrong" defense.

Fair enough, I'll look forward to responding later

 

[Robert165]

Fair enough, I'll look forward to responding later

ok, have a nice night

 

[Ginkgo]

really? the point is we do know the laws of the land in this case. and the laws are bad.

So says a thief in the night.

 

[Scott]

Thanks, you too

 

[Haphazard]

I'm not even sure the scenario you describe here is possible. Anyway, I certainly don't think it applies to the actual God.

I'm just thinking of the idea of Christianity being a prosthelytizing religion. It would seem that by prothelytizing, Christians are actually doing the rest of the world a disservice.

 

[Robert165]

So says a thief in the night.

no, so says the guy who says its wrong becasue hell is painful and thats a terrible terrible thing, made only worse by the fact that its "supposed" to be eternal. there's really not anything worse than that. and its certinly not a loving way to treat someone because they made the wrong decision about god.

 

[Ginkgo]

no, so says the guy who says its wrong becasue hell is painful and thats a terrible terrible thing, made only worse by the fact that its "supposed" to be eternal. there's really not anything worse than that. and its certinly not a loving way to treat someone because they made the wrong decision about god.

I apologize if I offended you.

 

[Owl]

He believes because it's bullshit.

What's bullshit? Certainly not Christianity!?

ad hominem? you're the one sitting here and trying to complicate things. "what if its a fact that a $10 dollar fine is an aaceptable punishment for rape or murder".

do you really really --- really --- believe this is a suitable punishment for rape or murder?

What if I did believe that? Would that make you more or less inclined to want to believe it too?