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    Jewish school racially discriminated against boy, court rules | Education | guardian.co.uk

    I'm surprised at this, the school seems to define Jewishness the same way that the Nazis or neo-Nazis do as a race/ethnicity.

    I've always been an opponent of Zionism (which is something different from and other than the state of Israel) from its origins before the wars, in the same way that I dont support ethno-nationalism of any variety such as so called "Ireland for the Irish" or the like.

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    Oh boy.....I see Blackmail! is reading this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I'm surprised at this, the school seems to define Jewishness the same way that the Nazis or neo-Nazis do as a race/ethnicity.
    Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    I'm often surprized why anti Zionists seem to be obsessed with Nazis at least as much as they are obsessed with us.

    The absurd comparisons and fallacies they make always end like this : Zionists = Nazis = Evil = (Jews).

    The truth is that this school simply defines Jewishness the way it had always been during millenias. Catholics can't understand the purpose or ethos of a non-prozelyte religion, and therefore, find it suspicious. If they don't want to belong to the majority -i.e. convert-, it means they must hide something. But should I reassure our readers if I say that despite its archaisms, the Halakha is NOT a recipe for genocides?
    "A man who only drinks water has a secret to hide from his fellow-men" -Baudelaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    The absurd comparisons and fallacies they make always end like this : Zionists = Nazis = Evil = (Jews).
    Zionism = Jews now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    I'm often surprized why anti Zionists seem to be obsessed with Nazis at least as much as they are obsessed with us.

    The absurd comparisons and fallacies they make always end like this : Zionists = Nazis = Evil = (Jews).
    Er, no, you are making the false associations but then again perhaps you're associating me with people you've met before and its understandable.

    I mentioned the Nazis because they would define Jewishness as a racial type or ethnicity rather than a creed or culture, it seems curious that this Jewish school is doing the same thing.

    I dont believe that either Zionism, or even Nazism for that matter, are evil per se but they can be but in any case there is no moral equivalence because I dont believe that Zionism has or would encourage genocide in the way that Nazism did. That doesnt stop me believing they are both morally flawed and dubious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Zionism = Jews now?
    I'm not sure about the way terms are being used here, I was using Zionism to describe the ethno-nationalist movement which Theodor Herzl's "Jewish State" is representative of.

    I consider the views of Jewish elements like Russian Communist Bundists who opposed Zionism as divisive and escapist to be the more enlightened point of view.

    Although its not entirely the point, if there's been a history in the past of racialisation and discrimination against the Irish, I'd not expect Irish communities to do som kind of u turn and suddenly believe that had been the right thinking thing all along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I'm not sure about the way terms are being used here, I was using Zionism to describe the ethno-nationalist movement which Theodor Herzl's "Jewish State" is representative of.

    I consider the views of Jewish elements like Russian Communist Bundists who opposed Zionism as divisive and escapist to be the more enlightened point of view.

    Although its not entirely the point, if there's been a history in the past of racialisation and discrimination against the Irish, I'd not expect Irish communities to do som kind of u turn and suddenly believe that had been the right thinking thing all along.
    I know what you were talking about. Me and Blackmail! often clash swords just for the hell of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    I know what you were talking about. Me and Blackmail! often clash swords just for the hell of it.
    Swords as in penises?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justxher View Post
    Swords as in penises?
    Well Blackmail! is French so that maybe his weapon of choice.

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    I don't understand.

    M's mother converted from Catholicism to Judaism under a non-Orthodox authority, meaning the Chief Rabbi does not recognise her as Jewish. He only recognises children as Jewish if he recognises their mothers as Jewish.
    It seems to me that the Rabbi takes the manner of the mother's conversion as an issue rather than any sort of "ethnic" discrimination.
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