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    Crime or life science? What's your view? I'm a total supporter of Eugenics in theory, I'm unsure how to put it into practice but I believe that the majority of misery created by anti-social behaviour and other equally troubling behaviour arises mainly from not simply neglect or abuse and its impact across the life span but the genetic inheritance passed on through the years. Bad or recessive genes combine with environment with predictable results.

    It's a pressing problem, I've read and considered research that all the existing therapeutic interventions in the form of health and social services in the UK will be totally ineffective with certain hard core populations since they are so cognitively challenged the chances of responding to any intervention is remote.

    Interventions could care for these individuals, mitigate for them the consequences of their actions to a certain extent (which may or may not involve injustice or at the very least disatisfaction to others) but it will not rehabilitate them, which may or may not happen with the full passage of time and further maturation towards old age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Crime or life science? What's your view? I'm a total supporter of Eugenics in theory, I'm unsure how to put it into practice but I believe that the majority of misery created by anti-social behaviour and other equally troubling behaviour arises mainly from not simply neglect or abuse and its impact across the life span but the genetic inheritance passed on through the years. Bad or recessive genes combine with environment with predictable results.

    It's a pressing problem, I've read and considered research that all the existing therapeutic interventions in the form of health and social services in the UK will be totally ineffective with certain hard core populations since they are so cognitively challenged the chances of responding to any intervention is remote.

    Interventions could care for these individuals, mitigate for them the consequences of their actions to a certain extent (which may or may not involve injustice or at the very least disatisfaction to others) but it will not rehabilitate them, which may or may not happen with the full passage of time and further maturation towards old age.
    Not interested, thanks.

    I'm quite fine having had the chance to select my mate of my own will and accord, and not what some elitist geneticist thinks is best for humanity based on my DNA and that of available females at the time I was "scheduled" to reproduce.

    That would inevitably turn into an Orwellian nightmare if ever implemented by a given society.

    FROM: Eugenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Eugenics is the study and practice of selective breeding applied to humans, with the aim of improving the species. In a historical and broader sense, eugenics can also be a study of "improving human genetic qualities." Advocates of eugenics sought to counter what they regarded as dysgenic dynamics within the human gene pool, specifically in regard to congenital disorders and factors relating to the heritability of IQ.

    Widely popular in the early decades of the 20th century, it has largely fallen into disrepute after having become associated with Nazi Germany."



    How do you see this as a useful/viable theory? Just curious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Not interested, thanks.

    I'm quite fine having had the chance to select my mate of my own will and accord, and not what some elitist geneticist thinks is best for humanity based on my DNA and that of available females at the time I was "scheduled" to reproduce.

    That would inevitably turn into an Orwellian nightmare if ever implemented by a given society.

    FROM: Eugenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Eugenics is the study and practice of selective breeding applied to humans, with the aim of improving the species. In a historical and broader sense, eugenics can also be a study of "improving human genetic qualities." Advocates of eugenics sought to counter what they regarded as dysgenic dynamics within the human gene pool, specifically in regard to congenital disorders and factors relating to the heritability of IQ.

    Widely popular in the early decades of the 20th century, it has largely fallen into disrepute after having become associated with Nazi Germany."



    How do you see this as a useful/viable theory? Just curious?
    Well I'm all for eugenics. Then we could selectively breed Lark out of the gene pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Not interested, thanks.

    I'm quite fine having had the chance to select my mate of my own will and accord, and not what some elitist geneticist thinks is best for humanity based on my DNA and that of available females at the time I was "scheduled" to reproduce.

    That would inevitably turn into an Orwellian nightmare if ever implemented by a given society.

    FROM: Eugenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Eugenics is the study and practice of selective breeding applied to humans, with the aim of improving the species. In a historical and broader sense, eugenics can also be a study of "improving human genetic qualities." Advocates of eugenics sought to counter what they regarded as dysgenic dynamics within the human gene pool, specifically in regard to congenital disorders and factors relating to the heritability of IQ.

    Widely popular in the early decades of the 20th century, it has largely fallen into disrepute after having become associated with Nazi Germany."



    How do you see this as a useful/viable theory? Just curious?
    Thought about it a lot after seeing an episode of House in which the disorder was unravelled once it was revealed that at the genetic level at least the two sufferers were effectively family.

    NI isnt a very diverse society, maybe its just because of that but I think that information about genetics would be as useful to people as personality typology if they were selecting partners.

    I dont necessarily see that as anymore elitist than the agreement that everyone drives on the one side of the road for instance.

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    Calculating the future population shows that there's going to need to be some change in the freedom of reproduction for the good of everyone. As long as we're able to tell people they should not reproduce - or not more than once perhaps - I see no reason why we shouldn't take the opportunity to eliminate some useless diseases from the gene pool - and raise our IQ's while we're at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    Calculating the future population shows that there's going to need to be some change in the freedom of reproduction for the good of everyone. As long as we're able to tell people they should not reproduce - or not more than once perhaps - I see no reason why we shouldn't take the opportunity to eliminate some useless diseases from the gene pool - and raise our IQ's while we're at it.
    I dont know that there is a straight forward population problem, for instance the small number in the developed world consume way more than those in subsaharan africa, so population growth in the developed world is the problem not population growth per se and its more the case that consumption and consumerism the the problem than population growth.

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    I suspect that some sort of bad virus will come out of asia or africa and wreak havoc on the 2nd and 3rd world nations of that part of the world.

    I mean like a billion people or more, gone.

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    I read once that sociopathy is present typically at rates of less than 3% but in an inner city enviornment it rises to rates of 20%. The author linked it to increased stress as children causing increases in basal cortisol and leading to higher levels of testosterone as well. Biology told these folks that they world was a tough, highly competitive place and then programmed them that cheating and lying were the best ways to make sure you survive and procreate.

    I think it is far too influenced by epigentics and by complex SNP patterns to figure out how to do this. Even if you could, you would very likely eliminate some very useful behavioral patterns in the process.

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    I oppose Eugenics.

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    I don't oppose Eugenics in theory, but when you start to talk about implementing it, I find a lot to complain of. It just doesn't seem doable.

    Genetic tinkering, maybe. I would not be against some genetic tinkering, perhaps.

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