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    Reading Wickedness by Midgely, which is moral philosophy, I was interested at its treatment of Freud and engaging with psychology, so, is pscyhology a kind of philosophy would you say? Is it all theory anyway, concepts which work one way or another providing the same direction or supporting the same illusions?

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    Yep. One of the definition of psychology is philosophy of the mind.

    It's a rather sensorish answer, I realise that. ^^'

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    I wouldn't have said so. Pyschology is a science. It's results are (usually)subjected to experimrnt to be verified by reality. Philosophy just produces opinions and elaborate arguments, not testable hypothesis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    I wouldn't have said so. Pyschology is a science. It's results are (usually)subjected to experimrnt to be verified by reality. Philosophy just produces opinions and elaborate arguments, not testable hypothesis.
    But there are philosophies of science itself, like Popper and Kuhn's perspectives, the process of inductive and deductive reasoning implicit in a testable hypothesis are underpinned by a philosophy surely?

    I'm not making a point, I'm posing questions, I think about this kind of thing quite a bit but dont always reach conclusive answers.

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    /\ Have you read Chomsky?

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    Dictionary time!

    Philosophy is the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct. It can also be the critical study of the basic principles and concepts of a particular branch of knowledge, esp. with a view to improving or reconstituting them: the philosophy of science.

    Psychology is the science of the mind or of mental states and processes. It is also the sum or characteristics of the mental states and processes of a person or class of persons, or of the mental states and processes involved in a field of activity: the psychology of a soldier; the psychology of politics.

    As such, the philosophy of psychology and the psychology of philosophy are two different things altogether! I would say that they are complementary fields- philosophers are likely to find psychology interesting, and psychologists are similarly likely to find philosophy interesting.

    It would be inaccurate, however, to suggest that psychology is a branch of philosophy. Branches of philosophy include natural philosophy, metaphysical philosophy and moral philosophy. Psychology, on the other hand, is a branch of science and/or medicine.

    Psychology raises many interesting philosophical questions (although it would perhaps be poignant to emphasize that there is philosophical value in almost everything from Economics to The Simpsons.)

    I hope that makes sense. If not, I recommend that you find and read introductory texts to both subjects to build a clearer picture for yourself. Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Reading Wickedness by Midgely, which is moral philosophy, I was interested at its treatment of Freud and engaging with psychology, so, is pscyhology a kind of philosophy would you say? Is it all theory anyway, concepts which work one way or another providing the same direction or supporting the same illusions?
    Philosophy is about life. Psychology is about mind.
    Life borders existence. Mind borders it, too.
    What we really have is a triangle.

    It is interesting bananatrombones mentioned Chomsky.
    Now there is a curious chap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Reading Wickedness by Midgely, which is moral philosophy, I was interested at its treatment of Freud and engaging with psychology, so, is pscyhology a kind of philosophy would you say? Is it all theory anyway, concepts which work one way or another providing the same direction or supporting the same illusions?
    Philosophy is the discipline that is concerned with ethics, metaphysics (non-empirical reality) and epistemology (knowledge theory and the method we use in acquiring knowledge about the world). Notably, all three of these activities require one to reason abstractly and to figure out concepts more than to understand entities that could be readily found in the empirical world.

    Psychology is a science and by virtue of that relies very heavily on the empirical method or a careful examination of the physical world. By today's standards, Freud wasn't doing psychology as his study does meet the rigorous empirical standards endorsed by contemporary psychologists. Was he doing philosophy? Yes, though unsuccessfully as his views are poorly supported by arguments of abstract reasoning.

    As a general note on the history of intellectual development of the human civilization, not only questions of psychology, but also those of physics, chemistry, biology and all other sciences were approached philosophically or mostly by abstract reasoning. Only recently scholars have developed a method of rigorous empirical investigation which is called scientific today. Beforehand, there was no significant difference between science and philosophy. Today, the difference is not vast, but notable nonetheless. Philosophy still plays a huge role in the sciences as every empirical experiment needs a hypothesis and a great deal of other information that needs to be discovered by abstract reasoning; however, today it is not acceptable to establish a scientific conclusion without the support of the empirical method of research. In the past doing so was permissible and for this reason Freud's work was at once legitimately regarded as psychological, yet today it no longer can be.

    By the same token, I insist that Jung's typological work also belongs to the discipline of philosophy rather than psychology. However, Jung, unlike Freud wrote quality philosophy because his arguments regarding typology have an internal logical consistency and are founded on the likely true premises regarding human nature. His work will not be scientifically vindicated until we manage to empirically test claims about the tendencies of the human mind. In order to do that, neuroscience will need to have advanced sufficiently to offer insight with regard to the connection of certain neurons fire under a specific set of circumstances and the cognitive experiences of the person in whose brain the neurons were taking action.

    Anyhow, I think I gave you more information than you asked for. In simple terms, Psychology is distinct from philosophy because its method is empirical, the philosophical method isn't. Freud did write philosophy, but he didn't do a good job. (The difference between good philosophy and bad is that the former is well supported by abstract reasoning, yet the latter is more like groundless speculation.)
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    By the same token, I insist that Jung's typological work also belongs to the discipline of philosophy rather than psychology. However, Jung, unlike Freud wrote quality philosophy because his arguments regarding typology have an internal logical consistency and are founded on the likely true premises regarding human nature. His work will not be scientifically vindicated until we manage to empirically test claims about the tendencies of the human mind. In order to do that, neuroscience will need to have advanced sufficiently to offer insight with regard to the connection of certain neurons fire under a specific set of circumstances and the cognitive experiences of the person in whose brain the neurons were taking action.
    Hey, quality.

    This is what Anthon Steven's book Intelligent Person's Guide To Psychotherapy is about, he suggests that the majority of psychological schools of thought were only charismatic movements and that the science is slowly following, although of that research he has found good correlations between Jung's developmental archetypes theorising and scientific research into maturation.

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    Hey, I'm new here, this discussion just caught my eye and interest as I am working on my degree in philosophy and psychology right now so I just had to sign up and reply.

    First of all let me say I agree with SolitaryWalker about the "mainstream" version of the difference between Philosophy and Psychology and this is the view I have for it as well.

    I think the question that lies beneath this question is: Do humans have souls or not?
    If we don't have souls then our minds work like machines and psychology is the science for that machine and every human action can be predicted.
    On the other hand if we have souls that explanation won't work because then psychology can't be a science as it can't predict what we'll do and it's nothing but an educated guess- If we have the option to decide to do something else which we are not programmed(and it doesn't matter how we were programmed-biology, environment or experience it all comes down to the physiology of the brain and body) to do then psychology is just a branch of philosophy.

    This is just something I've been thinking of and not something I've read or heard anywhere so it's just my opinion, tell me what you think.

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