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    Quote Originally Posted by MaybeLogic View Post
    If you need a god to find happiness, go for it. Some people need A/C while others can handle the weather just fine by themselves.
    If you're going to bet that big, be certain. You may very well have an uncomfortable time explaining that comment to God one day.

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    I don't know that it's a God that I need for happiness (depending on how you want to define god), but I need something larger than a big, fat question mark. How can you prioritize your life, when you don't know what really holds value and what doesn't? I don't have the capacity to do this for myself, because at the back of my mind, the ultimate questions will still be there. I'll always be second guessing myself and others. How can I be content and at peace with that internal conflict going on?

    The questions of existence haven't been answered with answers that are absolute... To continue searching for them, isn't it a bit naive to believe that I'd find them, considering no one else has? After all, truth is just a claim. Anything that's been "discovered" thus far is pretty minuscule when looking at the bigger picture... Or, maybe the answers have been found, but they can't be proven. It doesn't make much difference.

    Faith is out. I possess none of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avis View Post
    I highly recommend Camus' "The Stranger" for a start
    Hated the stranger with SUCH a passion. Worst book I EVER read.

    Seriously, just because it has a message, doesn't mean yeu're allowed to butcher it with pathetic writing >.>

    Horrible novel that uses "it's a work of hard lulz" as an excuse for its' mediocrity.



    That being said, a much better, and more effective choice of books, would be Siddhartha.





    If you need a god to find happiness, go for it. Some people need A/C while others can handle the weather just fine by themselves.

    If you're going to bet that big, be certain. You may very well have an uncomfortable time explaining that comment to God one day.
    This assumes god exists fully, and even then, the point still stands. People need to believe in SOMETHING in order to survive the insanity of life. It doesn't matter if they believe in god, themselves, their family, or a giant flying sock golem in outer space that shoots bananas out of its' ears.

    So long as there is belief, there is hope. Once hope is completely gone, with nothing left to fall back on... then they are already dead, even if they're still technically breathing.

    If there is a god worth worshiping, I'm sure they'll understand that someone had issues with the whole blind faith in nil for solid evidence, so long as that person tried to understand the best they could. There's literally THOUSANDS of religions, all of which claim to be "the one true god". Seriously, pick a random number between 1 and 10,000. If yeu pick the wrong one YEU BURN IN HELL FOREVER. I'd like to believe that there's a bit more to it than that, and that even athiests, if they did their best to understand the information provided to them, could not be expected to believe the unbelievable. Why create a being whose mind is more logical and requiring evidence and solid proof, then condemn them for those very same traits? Such is not the work of a god worthy of worship, but of an arrogant little brat of whom I would refuse to worship even if I had solid evidence for existence. I will not tolerate injustice simply because of a threat of retribution. If that were how god really worked, he can go to hell himself after he makes it.

    However, I'd like to believe that this isn't how a being who is supposedly smarter than I am thinks. I'd be kind of sad if I were better than god himself. I don't think my ego could take that, it'd explode.

    That being said, there may, or may not, come a day of explanation. If they understand why they said the comment, and can back it up, I don't think they'll go wrong. We can only base our decisions on the information given us, and the evidence presented. We can bicker over interpretation of the evidence we have, but it's just that... interpretation; personal in nature. Noone will ever interpret EVERYTHING right. That they at least attempted to, instead of blindly following whot they were told is likely going to be more important than those with blind faith who 'got it right' but for the wrong reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post
    It doesn't matter if they believe in god, themselves, their family, or a giant flying sock golem in outer space that shoots bananas out of its' ears.
    I want to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post

    If there is a god worth worshiping, I'm sure they'll understand that someone had issues with the whole blind faith in nil for solid evidence, so long as that person tried to understand the best they could. There's literally THOUSANDS of religions, all of which claim to be "the one true god". Seriously, pick a random number between 1 and 10,000. If yeu pick the wrong one YEU BURN IN HELL FOREVER. I'd like to believe that there's a bit more to it than that, and that even athiests, if they did their best to understand the information provided to them, could not be expected to believe the unbelievable. Why create a being whose mind is more logical and requiring evidence and solid proof, then condemn them for those very same traits? Such is not the work of a god worthy of worship, but of an arrogant little brat of whom I would refuse to worship even if I had solid evidence for existence. I will not tolerate injustice simply because of a threat of retribution. If that were how god really worked, he can go to hell himself after he makes it.
    My stance EXACTLY.

    Even if the God that condemns lost souls to hell exists, I wouldn't follow or acknowledge him for the life of me. I'd rather burn in hell. Humans - simple creatures, logical beings. Can we really be expected to live and follow blindly, on faith alone? Is there really wrath reserved towards those of us that can't/don't? I don't want to have anything to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    Faith is out. I possess none of it.
    Have faith in reason then. You have an inquisitive mind, that should make sense enough.

    Some nice reward in heaven sounds appealing if not for the fact that it doesn't make sense to you, so you put your foot down and say that if it doesn't make sense, it isn't real, even if it had some semblance of being tempting. That took faith in the rational process you believe in, so don't say you have no faith. Were you to despair sufficiently (not that you have reason to) you might doubt yourself and your mind briefly before coming back to your assertions reassured. This is consistent with the faith-dynamic.
    ~ a n t i r e c o n c i l e r
    What is death, dies.
    What is life, lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    To continue searching for them, isn't it a bit naive to believe that I'd find them, considering no one else has?
    How do you know no one else has? Not one person in the whole of history? Do you think you or the people you've known/read about are really it? Do you really know everything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    After all, truth is just a claim. Anything that's been "discovered" thus far is pretty minuscule when looking at the bigger picture... Or, maybe the answers have been found, but they can't be proven. It doesn't make much difference.

    Faith is out. I possess none of it.
    I think this is where existentialism comes in. It is an individual process and quest. No person or thing from the outside can tell you the answers. You have to experience the answers yourself and see the answers with your own eyes. The inner torture of not knowing is what points out your way for you. It's a lonely journey but the only way to arrive at something authentic. Of course you cannot prioritise with confidence when you don't know for sure who you are and thus, why you are here. Everyone needs peace. You sell yourself short if you settle for less. You can live on the surface for a while but not forever. At some point, you will get old and you will die. Lots of old people get really crazy because they didn't deal with these issues when they were younger.

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    ^if people are able to sort these questions out and settle, then it's because they've allowed themself to adopt and put faith in something that gives them meaning and purpose. It doesn't suggest validity in their position to the rest of the world. That's why it's discomforting to me. It's individualistic. I don't want to be left to my own devices. I want to know the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    We are here to reproduce (optional). Everything else is recess time.
    Made me think of Schopenhauer: "The continous presence of humanity is only proof of its own prurience."

    Quote Originally Posted by Beat View Post
    Faith is out. I possess none of it.
    I sometimes envy people who believe. I simply can't (or to put it in a more Sartrian way, I refuse). That also - and often - applies to believing in reason, not only to the metaphysical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post
    Hated the stranger with SUCH a passion. Worst book I EVER read.

    Seriously, just because it has a message, doesn't mean yeu're allowed to butcher it with pathetic writing >.>

    Horrible novel that uses "it's a work of hard lulz" as an excuse for its' mediocrity.

    That being said, a much better, and more effective choice of books, would be Siddhartha.
    Well yes, I can see it's not everyone's cup of tea. I have to admit that I don't like the Meaursault character, but he's a nice metaphor for all the things I'm against. It wasn't exactly pleasure reading, but to me the book as a whole is a great allegory. (And as to the pathetic writing - I also read it to brush up my French, so its unliterary style was actually a benefit in this case. Nothing I would consider 'beautiful language', though.)
    What do you think of "The Myth of Sisyphus" then?

    I can also highly recommend Siddartha. Re-read it four months ago. It's just that I'm not what you would call spiritual.

    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Existence for its own sake. Some people can't deal with that concept, but the people who can are the most at peace with life.

    You, as in individual, have the responsibility of giving your life meaning. That's what existentialism is, but many can't humble themselves to this realization. They have to attach special meaning, God ordained destiny.
    I like to think that my own life is mainly about gathering experiences and impressions. The world's an interesting place to be. To me life doesn't have a deeper meaning or a purpose in itself, and I find that thought immensely liberating.
    IN SERIO FATVITAS.

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    The purpose of our life is to reproduce.

    If you look at every lifeforms in our planet, a pattern suggest that we're supporting a system. What system? Who the hell knows, but imagine if you're a cell inside a human body. It could be any cell, white blood cell, red blood cell, brain cell, etc. The functions which you serve has no meaning to you. If your a red blood cell, all you do all day is go around delivering oxygen...for what purpose? You might not know, because as a cell, you don't have the capability to understand your purpose.

    I think it's the same with human. We support a system that is beyond our understanding, we think we're intelligent, but the scope of the universe is beyond our imagination. However, it's not far fetch if instead of supporting a system, we are destroying it. Our behavior is so similar to the AIDS virus in terms of adapting to the environment that we might be some kind of virus to the sytem. We alter our surroundings to suit us and introduce foreign objects into it while reproducing and perhaps escaping this environment to corrupt more planets which disrupt the natural order of things. So what we might call intelligent life form might just be viruses invading this system we're occupying.

    In the end, our purpose is to expand the human specie to either corrupt or support this system like any other lifeform....so our job is to have sex 24/7 which some of us are failing at.
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