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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    "An intellectual mode of thought that attempts to critically examine and transcend the prevailing paradigms of modernity."
    Given the position only exists relative to the prevailing paradigms of modernity, what are these paradigms?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    "Post-postmodernism" - and no I'm not making this up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
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    If one could define Postmodernism as a critical position, then could one not create a position critical of postmodernism?

    Also, an idea:

    Modernism --> Alpha Postmodernism(postmodernism) --> Beta Postmodernism (Post-postmodernism) --> Gamma Postmodernism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew_Z View Post
    Given the position only exists relative to the prevailing paradigms of modernity, what are these paradigms?
    This might help: Defining characteristics of modernity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew_Z View Post
    If one could define Postmodernism as a critical position, then could one not create a position critical of postmodernism?

    Also, an idea:

    Modernism --> Alpha Postmodernism(postmodernism) --> Beta Postmodernism (Post-postmodernism) --> Gamma Postmodernism
    One is being critical of the idea of being critical?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew_Z View Post
    Given the position only exists relative to the prevailing paradigms of modernity, what are these paradigms?
    There are none because they were forged in pre-modernism, which used to be post-modernism. The paradigm is a paradox.

    The primary intent behind this thread is to illustrate why the onslaught of unappreciative intelligence is harmful because it undoes humane purpose. (Or at least, that's how I see it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    One is being critical of the idea of being critical?
    And that's where we get Gamma Postmodernism, which finds that criticism to be preposterous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew_Z View Post
    And that's where we get Gamma Postmodernism, which finds that criticism to be preposterous.

    I think we should call the new movement "fuckyouimmahaveasammichism."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    That's untrue. Sometimes I wonder if you object for the sake of objection.
    I do like postmodernism, though...

    And I don't think a trite statement like "blah, blah untrue, you object for sake of objection" is a very good reason for me not to like it.


    For instance, you could tell me what the alternatives are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Postmodernism
    Salient features of postmodernism are normally thought to include the ironic play with styles, citations and narrative levels,[6] a metaphysical skepticism or nihilism towards a “grand narrative” of Western culture,a preference for the virtual at the expense of the real, and a “waning of affect” on the part of the subject
    So of course I like it.

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    Skepticism is good, but building societies and belief systems on skepticism and nihilism will lead to total chaos, destroying its own fundaments. It is only sustainable by the elite, so it's kind of an elitist worldview. It fails to grasp the social necessity of moving towards a "grand narrative", while constantly emphasizing that it doesn't exist (how do you know? even then, who cares?). I could go on forever.

    Alternative: integrating the rationality and the anthropological optimism of the Enlightenment with the sentimentality and surreality of romanticism into the experiences and the skepticism of modernity, creating a new worldview.

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