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    What is the difference between the internal and external world?

    Please elaborate and explain.

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    I have been playing around with the idea that the internal world is ones own mind, while the external world is everything (else?).

    The "Mind"

    From an outside observer, the mind is what the body/brain stores. Just like a file or program is something stored on a hard-disk.

    The same file or program can be transfered to a flash drive, streamed over the Internet, etc. This is just to elaborate the point that the file/program is not simply part of the physical state of the hard-drive. It is something more abstract that can separately manifested in an alternate form, if the technology exists.

    I believe it is the same with the mind. If we had the technology, I believe we would be able to take "abstract state of mind" represented in the physical state of the body/brain, and transfer it to another storage mechanism.

    My Mind is Part of My Internal World, while Others' Minds are Not

    To further elaborate my distinction, I put forth that my mind is my internal world but others' minds are not part of my internal world.

    Insight gained from my own internal world may be relevant in understanding other people's internal worlds. Nevertheless, another person's mind is not part of mine.

    My Mind Can be Part of My External World As Well

    As I analyze minds in general, I include mine as well. In this sense, my mind is included in my external world as well as my internal world.

    If I were to have my mind analyzed by others and then described to me, once again my mind will be part of my external world.

    I believe, however, that the character of how I see my mind as my internal world will be different from how I see my mind as part of my external world.

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    So that's about it. For me, my internal world is my mind, while my external world includes everything.

    How would you make the same distinction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    What is the difference between the internal and external world?
    The internal is the imagination. And the external is reality.

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    The internal world is what you keep to yourself, the way you process things, the way you make connections. Things you might not even be consciously aware of. The external world is whatever you share with others, and what they can perceive about you, or experience with you.

    Basically, the inner world is that which cannot be shared or expressed, the external world is that which can be shared and expressed.
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    but we can see different rates of information transfer between 'an object' and an environnement etc.
    Otherwise, things are just mental construct. Such mental contructs are evolutionary advantages allowing for creatures with limited computing power and 'qualitative'+spatial sense data to differentiate between threats, food and the rest of the environnement.

    Now it's all a question of how we define 'what is true'. As truth is a mental construct in the first place. So basically you have to know at what level of analysis you're positioning yourself when asking that question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The internal is the imagination. And the external is reality.
    Ever watched matrix ?
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

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    To create a work of the imagination, it is necessary to fully imagine it.

    Many works of art fail because they are not fully imagined.

    And instead of being fully imagined we are given special effects, moralism, ideology or cardboard characters.

    When the artistic imagination fails, we try to fill it with bells and whistles. American movies are good example of this because they have such high budgets, they can have high production values but no artistic value.

    And when an artist fully imagines a work then it captures our imagination too. And it fully lives in our imagination, just as the work fully lived in the imagination of its creator.

    Human being are extraordinary in that we can respond to our imagination in a similar way we respond to reality.

    And so it is crucial that we learn very early on the difference between imagination and reality. And this is the work of children.

    For play is the work of children. And the purpose of play is to learn the distinction between imagination and reality.

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    Interesting responses. I would actually like everyone to elaborate a bit more since I don't completely understand the distinctions--or lack of distinction as the case may be.

    To Athenian:
    How do we know what can or cannot be shared?

    To Eck:
    Are you denying the existence of one or the other world? I did not fully understand the informations transfer part. Also, as part of the everything-is-a-mental-construct concept, are you denying the existence of the external world?

    To Victor:
    How do we know that what we see as reality is not in our imagination? Also, it seems like there are other things like the inputs from our 5 senses with is neither reality nor imagination, true?

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    The internal world is a person's subjective sense of self and all of the thoughts that it generates. The external world is everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    To Athenian:
    How do we know what can or cannot be shared?
    We don't. We can only make assumptions, and not all of us make the same ones. Many philosophical debates actually deal with the boundaries of what is expressible.

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    To the subject there is no difference between the inner world and the outer world except when speaking in specific arenas where it seems to stand for something similar to reception and broadcast. To the object however the difference is stark, I imagine.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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