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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    We're starting from different assumptions.
    What assumption would that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post

    Thank you, but I had no plans to edit it. I was serious. I meant what I said.
    I'm well aware you were serious.
    I quoted your post because it was obnoxious and ridiculous-- not because I liked it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    What assumption would that be?
    Well, your assumption is that all bullshit is self-evident, like the color red. My assumption is that sometimes an explanation is necessary to show others why something is bullshit.

    I mean, I will admit that you might just be smarter than me so it's always obvious to you. But it's not always obvious to everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    I quoted your post because it was obnoxious and ridiculous-- not because I liked it.
    Well, I was replying to an obnoxious and ridiculous post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    We're all hypocrites.
    You're a hypocrite for calling us hypocrites you hypocrite.

    Why are we making presumptions that there are such things as pure objective evil and pure objective good?

    Just on a side note- I have speculated that the concept of "evil" is derived from the fear of the unfamiliar, while the concept of "good" is derived from the comfort of the known. At least on a personal subjective level.

    Another theory is that "evil" is defined by the cons of a decisions outweighing the pros, while good is defined by the converse.

    In the scope of societal behavior, it would seem that anything that is beneficial to the common welfare of civilization is labeled as "good". On the other hand, anything that is selfish or harmful to society is labeled as "evil".

    It is not equatable to compare the good-evil spectrum to the light-dark spectrum; for good and evil reflect the substance of humane choice, while light and dark are irrelevant to anything of the sort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circle View Post
    Good questions. Let's start with the science and move into the parallels after...

    "white is the combination of all the colors of the visible light spectrum. If all the wavelengths of the visible light spectrum give the appearance of white, then none of the wavelengths would lead to the appearance of black. Once more, black is not actually a color. Technically speaking, black is merely the absence of the wavelengths of the visible light spectrum. "
    -The Electromagnetic and Visible Spectra

    When you look up into the sky at night, most of what you see is space. When people hear the word space they often think about being in an environment like my astronaut avatar. If you think about it, what is space? It is literally just that, space in it's purest form. If someone tried to give me a free couch, I'd have to tell them I couldn't take it because I don't have enough floor space--I don't have enough nothing to add something. Technically, this isn't pure space, because it is occupied by atmospheric gases, which are also something. This is why space is considered a vacuum (compared to our pressurized atmosphere) because molecules naturally disperse from an area of high density to little or no density.

    Oh well, it was probably covered with mystery stains and smelled like stale Doritos. Anyways, if space is absolute nothingness, then the vast black night sky is mostly nothing. It looks like it could be something, because we can replicate the color black on an object or paper and still touch and feel it. Considering all of this, does it make sense to refer to darkness as something rather than nothing? Does it make sense to say you are observing darkness rather than an absence of light? Similarly, we must define other things in relation to what is rather than what it is not. 1+1=2. It would take me an eternity to tell you every number 1+1 does not equal. Once we recognize that there is only a single right answer to any question then we can begin to classify everything else in relation to that.



    "But Circle, haven't you heard there is more than one way to skin a cat?" Yes, there is more than one way of accomplishing something, but that is like saying there is more than one answers that are "pretty close" to a complex math problem. You can find the right answer through trying other answers that are wrong, but to seek wrong answers on purpose will in no way help you reach the right one any faster.

    Dark and light do not "balance" each other out. There is what is [right, true, good] and what is not. What is cannot equal what is not, 1=/=0. Balance is only obtained through equal amounts of what exists. Also, I think the belief that we are in a state of universal balance or will ever reach one is the greatest assumption of all.
    If black is the absence of visible wavelengths, then why is it you can look through a drive in movie projector beam at the night sky and see black? You are looking straight through light and see black. So what exactly is black as its not the absence of visible wavelengths, black is pure observation. Black depends on your eyes and has nothing to do with wavelengths being present or not. Black is more of a facade as we cant see what is really present. Just like good can be a facade for evil and evil can be a facade for good.

    The bolded part only applies to what is not known, we are not talking about what is not known. We are referring to what is known, the best way to trouble shoot anything that is known is to observe what is wrong. How do you solve a problem by focusing on what is right?

    I agree with you, but I will say you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. You are looking as an INTP instead of an ISTP. You see you are not solving a problem. You are finding the right way, you are looking forward. An ISTP is a reverse engineer, we are problem solvers and we do this by looking at what is wrong. We will look evil straight in the eye while an INTP will find what is right, we will find what is wrong. Do you know what you find when you look evil straight in the eye? What you find is not what you expect, what you find will haunt you, what you will find is a logical reason. A logical reason that anyone in this world can reach. If you never look evil in the eye all you are doing is redirecting it, not actually fixing the logical reason behind the evil. You are not solving the reason, you are creating something else.

    ISTPs are trumped by INTPs when what is wrong outweighs what is right, we will trump an INTP when what is right outweighs what is wrong. You see if something has more wrongs we have more things to look at where as if something has less wrongs we have less to look at.

    edit: if you dont look at evil you are not really seeing what is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    You're a hypocrite for calling us hypocrites you hypocrite.

    Why are we making presumptions that there are such things as pure objective evil and pure objective good?

    Just on a side note- I have speculated that the concept of "evil" is derived from the fear of the unfamiliar, while the concept of "good" is derived from the comfort of the known. At least on a personal subjective level.

    Another theory is that "evil" is defined by the cons of a decisions outweighing the pros, while good is defined by the converse.

    In the scope of societal behavior, it would seem that anything that is beneficial to the common welfare of civilization is labeled as "good". On the other hand, anything that is selfish or harmful to society is labeled as "evil".

    It is not equatable to compare the good-evil spectrum to the light-dark spectrum; for good and evil reflect the substance of humane choice, while light and dark are irrelevant to anything of the sort.
    You're missing my point.

    We mean well and we say the right things,

    but in the end, a lot of people are in it for themselves. Which is where the basis for this whole problem lays.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    People tend to have a public face and a private face. The public face serves as a barrier -- to keep the predictable in and the unpredictable out. Evil is the product of the public face going from independent to parasitic.
    It's about time.

    Thanks.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Well, your assumption is that all bullshit is self-evident...
    Really? Please expand.

    I mean, I will admit that you might just be smarter than me so it's always obvious to you. But it's not always obvious to everyone.
    Oh dear.

    Listen. It's not your fucking thread. Don't butt in and tell the OP to butt out.

    The esoteric nature should have given you a clue.

    The subject is irrelevant.

    And don't try that you're cleverer than me horseshit again, BTW. You sound like a (sarcastic) professional victim.

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    This whole thread is rhetorical. I'm ranting. I'm being a little bitch. Like or hate it, I could care less.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    This whole thread is rhetorical. I'm ranting. I'm being a little bitch. Like or hate it, I could care less.
    Oh!

    Well, I missed that. I thought you were serious.

    Never mind, then.

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