For one, maybe it's obvious to you that the reasoning is circular, but it's not clear at all to many of the religiously minded, especially because they just do not organize their thoughts in the same pattern you might, or might not be intuitive. I assure you that they believe they are being entirely reasonable and drawing conclusions in rational ways... and it's "rational enough" that it is very hard to dislodge the thinking that goes on. God knows, I've tried to engage with people I love, and it's just infuriating... partly because they are not TRYING to be obtuse or cruel.
And while religion can be responsible for atrocities, there are many things that can driven human beings to commit atrocities, and there's also usually some level of restraint inherent in the religiously minded... the average person might misapply truth (in your or my opinion) to a certain degree, but at some point it becomes obvious to them that things "aren't right" and then they start to check and balance themselves. They seem to usually have good intentions and use their faith framework to support, justify, and implement those good intentions.
And finally, in a rather tangential viewpoint, I'm sort of feeling like you grabbed a word out of Night's post to run away on your own agenda here... because you happen to have particular issues with religious people, and so you changed the topic so you could vent about it.
I guess it doesn't matter, the discussion can go wherever people want it to; I'm just noting it for the record.
I think you credit too much conscious thought to human beings, and insinuate too much negativity about their intent.I meant 'believe' in the simple meaning 'act as if it's true until further notice'. I think the religious use of the word 'belief' is highly manipulative and designed to dodge the issue once again. Normally you hold ideas to be true or good or sublime for some reasons beyond that you hold them.
Yeah.But religious people believe only because they believe. Complete selfabsorbtion and disregard for the autonomy and feedback from the inner or outer world. Organised insensivity and disrespect for life, the universe and everything.
You're not extreme in the least, or exaggerating to the extreme. *eyeroll*
Honestly, I'm worried about people who think like you do as much as I worry about 'religious people.' We've all got our flaws. It makes it hard to have any sort of meaningful dialogue.