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    As much as I'd hate to do it, I would let them all die. To save them would be to cause, rather than allow a death. For that I would suffer the most guilt, and I might even end up in jail. My choice would also prevent a tremendous burden on the prisoners; were they to survive, they would hold themselves partly responsible for the one person's death.

    EDIT: That's also how I would respond to the second situation. There's no difference between them for me; the wording changes nothing.
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    Riiiiight. I'm gonna go into INTP mode here. In the first scenario I would switch tracks, unless I have some sort of logical reason to do otherwise at the moment. In the second scenario I would most likely not realize the fat person could stop the trolley simply because fat people usually can't stop trolleys. Even if this person could effectively stop the trolley, the thought wouldn't occur to me because due to past experiences and reasoning it would be very unlikely that this person could do it.

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    So how exactly are you going to explain pushing someone in front of a trolley? "well, seriously, they looked wide enough to stop it!!! I didn't murder them" Second scenario is just dumb.

    How often is one person on the track, let alone 6? I would send out the bat signal or go into hovercraft mode.

    I think a more interesting question is why do people like questions like this? Why do people feel it is a "challenge to their morals" to make up questions that are so far fetched and deliberate on them?

    Incidentally I think there is a thread on this exact question already. Also, I think they threw in "if someone is a business man" in a bizarre manner.

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    I would switch the track mechanism only half way and then derail the trolley to die as a hero of Engineering, who knew in difficult times what difficult sacrifices there have to be made
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    In the first scenario, I'd kill the one person.

    In the second scenario, I'd try to help as many of the five as possible without killing anyone else.

    In the first scenario, someone is going to die no matter what due to someone else's actions. In the second scenario five people are bound against their will, and then there's a another guy minding his own business. I think the difference is that in the first one, you're forced to kill someone, whereas in the second one, you're an outside observer, you don't have to participate one way or another, but you have the choice of becoming a murderer in order to be a savior.

    It really is a moral dilemma, but I guess it just comes down to whether a person thinks the ends justify the means.
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    Maybe it's the wording, maybe I'm dumb, but I don't understand the second scenario.


    And Elaur...much like math or programming, ethics also require some training from time to time, lest we become rusty. It's the reasoning that is important. Why we do the things we do. Going with the flow and not having a clear idea about what is morally "more correct" to do in a certain situation, is something that troubles me a whole lot, personally.

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    I don't think these hypothetical situations tell anyone anything about their morals or influence their choices.

    I've never taken an ethics course, maybe I've missed them being used in an appropriate fashion. I doubt it, though.

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    I would change the tracks and attempt to make a mad dash to the last person to try to untie him, then even though I'd probably fail, you couldn't fault me for trying to get the guy out.

    Chase two birds catch two birds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    I don't think these hypothetical situations tell anyone anything about their morals or influence their choices.
    Asking what you value more 5 lives VS 1 live...is it not a moral question?

    And 5 prisoners VS 1 angel?




    Regardless of how well this particular dilemma was presented to us, are you saying the extra data doesn't influence people's choices?

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    What extra data are you talking about?

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