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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Growth in people = growth in productivity = growth in the economy. If the birthrate doesn't increase fast enough, growth slows down.
    Growth in people does not equal growth in productivity, particularly given that the unemployment rate is positive. Growth in investment results in growth in productivity. Growth in people just broadens the labor pool and depresses wages. Growth in gross output is further meaningless, if it does not lead to an increase in output per head, as it just means the economy is larger. Not any wealthier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Growth in people does not equal growth in productivity, particularly given that the unemployment rate is positive. Growth in investment results in growth in productivity. Growth in people just broadens the labor pool and depresses wages. Growth in gross output is further meaningless, if it does not lead to an increase in output per head, as it just means the economy is larger. Not any wealthier.

    I'm sorry I edited, I meant *population*, which is still probably connected to the economy as well. There is an ideal number that is calculated. Anything higher or lower will create problems. The US has been keeping up due to help in the form of a constant flow of immigrants and the poor reproducing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Growth in people does not equal growth in productivity, particularly given that the unemployment rate is positive. Growth in investment results in growth in productivity. Growth in people just broadens the labor pool and depresses wages. Growth in gross output is further meaningless, if it does not lead to an increase in output per head, as it just means the economy is larger. Not any wealthier.
    Ok, maybe don't take "=" literally. The question might be who is wealthier?
    Gross output isn't meaningless when wealth is concentrated in the hands of the few. It benefits the few. Also, people climb the ladder so to speak economically over generations after immigrating, which does result in more educated people in higher paying jobs. Look at the Irish in the US as an example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Victor
    I used to be against abortion until I discovered that the number of spontaneous abortions far outweigh the number of induced abortions.
    If you are against abortion, then you should support outlawing abortion as it results in less abortions being carried out regardless.
    Spontaneous abortions occur regardless of the law.

    Spontaneous abortions are a fact of nature.

    Spontaneous abortions have nothing to do with morality or the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Spontaneous abortions occur regardless of the law.

    Spontaneous abortions are a fact of nature.

    Spontaneous abortions have nothing to do with morality or the law.
    If the number of natural deaths far outweighed the number of murders, would you legalize murder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    If the number of natural deaths far outweighed the number of murders, would you legalize murder?
    I fear we may be waiting some time for an answer from Our Vic, however...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    If the number of natural deaths far outweighed the number of murders, would you legalize murder?
    If the number of natural deaths declined to far below the murder rate, one might legalize homicide to restore some semblance of a manageable population. This could be regulated by license or permit, as with hunting or fishing in some areas where seasons and limits are used to manage the population of other animals.

    By the way, a spontaneous abortion is nothing more than a miscarriage.

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    It seems to me there is a feeling or thought process of every embryo possessing souls. In this case it is against 'God's" wishes in prescribing a murder to a peetry dish. I am with a belief that we don't know the mind of god and the planet is way to overpopulated. If anything it is a shame bringing children forth into a world and not properly caring for them. Which child wishes being brought forth into this world in a unloving, non-nurturing environment? Then us as a society have footing a bill for (high probability) mental illness, crime, as well substance abuse. This underscores the misery this person has trying overcoming all the many hangups precipitated by this abusiveness raised as a child in a environment that isn't condusive to well mental health. This is a crime in my eyes. Why subject any being with a purgutory not raised in a proper environment? It is insensible and cruel, and blindness.

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    If this thread was redesigned by me it wouldn't allow anybody to post who hasn't either:

    1) given birth to a child
    2) given a child up for adoption
    3) had an abortion
    4) miscarried.

    Anyone else's opinion is biased/unbiased by ignorance of experience.
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    MDP2525 wrote, "Anyone else's opinion is biased/unbiased by ignorance of experience."
    This affliction with ignorance strikes all. No one knows truth only opinion.

    "The moment you say 'I know everything' is the end of your growth." Sharon Lee

    Evil is perpetrated by the ignorance and folly of humankind. It has followed
    us from the dawn of time. For the most part we see evil in others but are
    not so readily to see it in ourselves. This is because of defense mechanisms
    such as denial and rationalizations. How do we combat evil or more
    specifically? It goes back to the old adage that I see the twig in your eye,
    but do not see the log in my own eye! Sure, it is easy to see the evil and
    problems in the world. What is harder is to combat our own ignorance. It
    begins with me personally! I, the writer plead "I do not know everything".
    What's more much of what people and I know is opinion. This goes without
    saying up to an including the most acclaimed, accomplished, brilliant, and
    genius of experts. In my own case I, perhaps misguidedly, rely on an
    intuitive intelligence. I also use as a barometer my internal emotions. If I
    detect a negative emotion, label, or pejorative, then I know that at least
    part of my message is distorted and ignorant. To combat ignorance, I will
    walk the path and start with my own.

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